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This may outrage you… it did me.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Here’s the deal. No questions… just a pure >gotta-get-it-off-of-my-chest-gripe. I am married to the most ridiculous >and stubborn man on the face of the earth. He says there is no way I can >have the BodMods that I want and still be successful. I have been totally >ridiculed for my desire for the art. Mostly what he is against is the >piercings. He claims that no real professional, who ever plans to go >anywhere, has these sort of things done to them. "It’s just not normal". >Plus, he says he is really repulsed by the whole thing.(But of course his >tattoo is THE exception) >So, here I am. Craving the pain and the pierce. Pondering over whether or >not I give in and up give up what I really want. Or forge on and choose >the metal over the job and the man. Ugh. Why can’t anything is this >freaking world be simple? >Comments? Similar gripes? >On the verge of hostility, >ronda >- >Does anyone else feel like a pin cushion?
I admit I am not in the "real world" yet (I’m 19) But I attend a somewhat conservative college in the hamptons and I have a good deal of visable bod mod….fortunately the office that I work in is very accepting of it, but there are a good deal of people on campus (students and administration) that feel that if I have piercings and tats then I must be a trouble maker or something….most people are very surprised to find out that I am in the honor society AND on the dean’s list….even more are surprised to find out that I tutor two subjects….The point is that you don’t have to be a tightass to make it in this world…Tell your husband to get over it. I am so tired of bod mod fans catching a bad rap. If you are doing your bod mod for yourself-then you are not degrading your body…you are expressing your respect for it by decorating it with beautiful things ! my advice….If you need the job, then swallow your pride and put a retainer in it at work. Your husband is your husband and your vows say to honor and respect….but so did his…I’m sure you can come to some kind of compromise with him no matter how stubborn he is. A little piece of metal is not worth loosing a marriage over. Just let your husband know that more than half the men on wall street can either be found in a piercing/tat shop or at the vault (a bdsm sex club in NYC) on the weekends….. Bod Mod is EVERYWHERE…its your doctors, your lawyers, accountants and wall street tycoons. Its not just the derilic punk kids anymore !!! 
(sorry this is so long…but I’m just venting !) Iridal http://www.mindspring.com/~iridal/mian.htm
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r> gotta-get-it-off-of-my-chest-gripe. I am married to the most ridiculous r> and stubborn man on the face of the earth. He says there is no way I can r> have the BodMods that I want and still be successful. I have been totally r> ridiculed for my desire for the art. Mostly what he is against is the r> piercings. He claims that no real professional, who ever plans to go r> anywhere, has these sort of things done to them. "It’s just not normal". r> Plus, he says he is really repulsed by the whole thing.(But of course his r> tattoo is THE exception) I’d say, it depends on what you want to get done. I don’t think that I would get very far in my job if I had any "above-the- neck" piercings or visible tattoos, but what’s under my clothes (T-shirt, tie, smoking, whatever) is no one else’s business unless I want it to be. If he insists on "normality", may I suggest restricting him to sexual activities which are meant to be reproductive. According to the Pope (no, I’m not religious in any way) "sex for fun" is also "not normal". If he want’s a "normal" partner, he’ll have to accept that Frank
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First of all, apologies if this shows up twice; the newsfeed here is a bit grumpy lately… >Here’s the deal. No questions… just a pure >gotta-get-it-off-of-my-chest-gripe. I am married to the most ridiculous >>and stubborn man on the face of the earth. He says there is no way I can >>have the BodMods that I want and still be successful. (snip…)
Ronda– I am a college-educated professional, who has been working in Dilbert-land for most of the thirteen (ack, has it really been that long!) years since I left academia. I also have thirteen piercings (as of Sunday, I will have fourteen). I am also semi-heavily tattooed (most of the tattoos are not visible under normal business attire, save my ankle tattoo…for some of that story, read the FAQ). I have been working at my present job for five years, and have followed a "career track" for all of them (as evinced by raises and promotions). I have plans to attend graduate school, as well as advanced computer training. At _no time_ has my bodyart impacted my career (FWIW, my career has certainly helped me pay for the bodyart!) Occasionally, I get comments from co-workers; most have been curious, respectful, and even envious. I also recently met a wonderful man, who, in addition to being a successful computer professional, shares and encourages my interest in bodmods. The bottom line is: in the business world, as in the rest of the world, there is no constant but change. While conservative business dress may have been "the norm" in the past, many employers today prize competence and excellence rather than the window-dressing of the "power suit" or the right haircut. Witness the rise of "casual day" in many Fortune 500 companies. Who knows what accepted business wear might look like in 30 or 40 years, when the generation Xers are in charge? That’s my .02, anyway… Best of luck with whatever choice you make, Cindy
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: Here’s the deal. No questions… just a pure : gotta-get-it-off-of-my-chest-gripe. I am married to the most ridiculous : and stubborn man on the face of the earth. He says there is no way I can : have the BodMods that I want and still be successful. I have been totally : ridiculed for my desire for the art. Mostly what he is against is the : piercings. He claims that no real professional, who ever plans to go : anywhere, has these sort of things done to them. "It’s just not normal". : Plus, he says he is really repulsed by the whole thing.(But of course his : tattoo is THE exception) : : So, here I am. Craving the pain and the pierce. Pondering over whether or : not I give in and up give up what I really want. Or forge on and choose : the metal over the job and the man. Ugh. Why can’t anything is this : freaking world be simple? : : Comments? Similar gripes? What kinds of piercings do you want? emma
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>First I want to thank everyone for their response. It helped to reassure >me that I am not crazy. I now know for sure that these feelings of >contempt are legit. I want my bodyart. I REALLY want my bodyart. And the >one who is supposed to love and support me wants to keep me from it. As >for what I can really do about it, I am still unsure. On one hand…. on >the other hand….. >Second, it was very encouraging to hear from pierced professionals. I know >that proceeding with my bodmods does not neccessarily sentence me to being >a loser because of it.
Hm, I surely don’t feel like a loser. On the other hand I guess it all depends what you do for a living. If you are in a kindergarten I guess scary facial tattoo’s would be a no-no. Also a lof ot stuck-up persons with a holier than thou attitude will refuse to talk ro do business with you if you have visible tattos. I just sey sod’em. I have enough money so I can eat, and that is all that matters. I’m my own person and people can either accept it or move out of my life. There are enough of decent people out there so the few bigots don’t count for much. Oh well, ramble ramble.. — Let’s face it, if there is one thing that’s addictive: it’s politics. And politics, unlike pot, most definitely _does_ cause brain damage.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Here’s the deal. No questions… just a pure >gotta-get-it-off-of-my-chest-gripe. I am married to the most ridiculous >and stubborn man on the face of the earth. He says there is no way I can >have the BodMods that I want and still be successful. I have been totally >ridiculed for my desire for the art. Mostly what he is against is the >piercings. He claims that no real professional, who ever plans to go >anywhere, has these sort of things done to them. "It’s just not normal". >Plus, he says he is really repulsed by the whole thing.(But of course his >tattoo is THE exception) >So, here I am. Craving the pain and the pierce. Pondering over whether or >not I give in and up give up what I really want. Or forge on and choose >the metal over the job and the man. Ugh. Why can’t anything is this >freaking world be simple? >Comments? Similar gripes? >On the verge of hostility, >ronda >- >Does anyone else feel like a pin cushion?
Ronda, First off- it’s *YOUR* body. Second- the marriage is 50% up to you, too. If he thinks it is *OK* to be a dictator, you might want to consider a revolt. Third- lots and lots of people have bodmods with no negative ramifications. Some people might, say if it was a CFA from a major international company and he got a tat on his forhead that said "F the government".. but you see my point. Now, for the compromise: Get your bodmod somewhere discrete…. somewhere only the two of you might see. My EX was freaked that (GASP!!!) another man might see my body- get over it. Maybe that is part of his problem… if so, put him in *time out* until he is willing to act like a PARTNER in your life, and not the owner. Pardon me if I have stepped over the line in giving you advice, but, geez. See, I WAS married, now I am LIBERATED! ;) Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, refuse to wear it! Best wishes, GENX
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>: Second, it was very encouraging to hear from pierced professionals. I know >: that proceeding with my bodmods does not neccessarily sentence me to being >: a loser because of it. >Or, more to the point, you could try ridding yourself of the notion that >anyone not in a "professional" occupation is a "loser." Which is just as >narrow-minded an outlook as the anti-bodyart peoples’. 
Dear Moose, I was quoting my S.O. He said that BodMod is for freaks and losers. I don’t think people are neccessarily losers because they don’t have professional careers anymore than I think professionals are winners. You are what you make youself in that department. Mostly what I was saying was out of sarcasm. Sorry if it came off as otherwise. Anything but narrow-minded, ronda Does anyone else feel like a pin cushion?
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>Or, more to the point, you could try ridding yourself of the notion that >anyone not in a "professional" occupation is a "loser." Which is just as >narrow-minded an outlook as the anti-bodyart peoples’.
Professional occupation?? I guess anyone who makes a living is a professional in what (s)he does. Bah, don’t you hate the summer? All those artless canvases walking around. THAT’s the losers — Let’s face it, if there is one thing that’s addictive: it’s politics. And politics, unlike pot, most definitely _does_ cause brain damage.
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>: Here’s the deal. No questions… just a pure >: gotta-get-it-off-of-my-chest-gripe. I am married to the most ridiculous >: and stubborn man on the face of the earth. He says there is no way I can >: have the BodMods that I want and still be successful. I have been totally >: ridiculed for my desire for the art.
It sounds to me as if you married my ex. Same bullshit. That is one reason why he is my ex — different value system. Anyway, I have been a lawyer for ten years in one of the most competitive and, in many ways, conservative areas in the country — NYC. I am very heavily covered with ink and, once people get over the initial shock, they seem to completely disregard it. In a way, I think it has worked to my benefit because people sense that I am not a corporate yuppie phony and they trust me to be honest. I cover the tats when I am in court since, well, you can imagine the deal. So, end of story, the tats have not affected my career. But, as with anything else that may be a sensitive area, use some discretion. I probably would not go on an interview exposed but once you have proven to be competant on the job, well, you will probably see that most people don’t really care that much.
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>For Biker1Babe: >Is there any way you can talk to my SO? He’s also a lawyer (we’re in >CT), and something about his dark Italian good looks and cafe au lait >skin screams out for bodmod. Don’t get me wrong – I love him as-is – >but I wouldn’t mind seeing him with some knotwork, or a small loop in >ear. >His thought is, "They’re great on you, but you’re in a non-conservative >profession [I'm a writer]. People *expect* me to be this way."
Gold nipple rings. Definitely. —- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada on beautiful Vancouver Island
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> Gold nipple rings. Definitely.
Oh yes! I’m trying to convince my OSO that nipple rings are just the thing that he needs <grin>. He’s interested enough to actually have called Gauntlet for price info! Who knows? Pretty soon I may be able to proudly(? proclaim that I have "seduced" him to bodmodding <grin> walk in beauty Leaf
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I keep suggesting genital piercings to my SO:) He’s done the nipple, but it didn’t heal. He said if I ever become a proffesional piercer, I can pierce him wherever I want. Anyone in Quebec need an apprentice;-) — Blessed Be, Lisa:) Visit my totally useless, but none the less fun webpage! http://www.geocities.com/SusetStrip/Studio/7824/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh yes! I’m trying to convince my OSO that nipple rings are just the thing > that he needs <grin>. He’s interested enough to actually have called > Gauntlet for price info! Who knows? Pretty soon I may be able to > proudly(? proclaim that I have "seduced" him to bodmodding <grin> > walk in beauty > Leaf
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:> r> gotta-get-it-off-of-my-chest-gripe. I am married to the most ridiculous :> r> and stubborn man on the face of the earth. He says there is no way I can :> r> have the BodMods that I want and still be successful. I have been totally :> r> ridiculed for my desire for the art. Mostly what he is against is the :> r> piercings. He claims that no real professional, who ever plans to go :> r> anywhere, has these sort of things done to them. "It’s just not normal". :> r> Plus, he says he is really repulsed by the whole thing.(But of course his :> r> tattoo is THE exception) [snip] :> If he insists on "normality", may I suggest restricting him to sexual :> activities which are meant to be reproductive. According to the Pope (no, :> I’m not religious in any way) "sex for fun" is also "not normal". If he :> want’s a "normal" partner, he’ll have to accept that AFAIK Catholicism isn’t the only religion with that opinion… 
Anyway, this approach sounds like a good one. I, personally, would also point out "normality" (resp. lack thereof) in other areas; there *must* be something about your (rjm121876’s) husband that’s not totally mainstream… and how can he possibly tell you to refrain from something because it’s not "normal" when at the same time *he’s* doing <insert weirdness here>? CU, and good luck! Julia 
(who would regard being called "normal" an insult in most cases) — Julia Simon Hypp"a"aj"at"ar Sprachen-Freak vom Dienst snailmail: Akanapolku 2 L 401, 01370 Vantaa, Finland homepage: http://www.lingsoft.fi/~simon Where linguists gather, madness abounds ( – the story of my life)
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!:> r> gotta-get-it-off-of-my-chest-gripe. I am married to the most ridiculous !:> r> and stubborn man on the face of the earth. He says there is no way I can !:> r> have the BodMods that I want and still be successful. I have been totally !:> r> ridiculed for my desire for the art. Mostly what he is against is the !:> r> piercings. He claims that no real professional, who ever plans to go !:> r> anywhere, has these sort of things done to them. "It’s just not normal". !:> r> Plus, he says he is really repulsed by the whole thing.(But of course his !:> r> tattoo is THE exception) ! ![snip] ! !:> If he insists on "normality", may I suggest restricting him to sexual !:> activities which are meant to be reproductive. According to the Pope (no, !:> I’m not religious in any way) "sex for fun" is also "not normal". If he !:> want’s a "normal" partner, he’ll have to accept that ! !AFAIK Catholicism isn’t the only religion with that opinion… speaking as an ex-catholic who has no love for the church, i must still speak up and correct this misconception. the catholic church no longer teaches that sex is for procreation only; specifically, within a marriage, sexual intercourse is also encouraged and accepted to "nurture the love of the partner." they do still teach that pre- and extra-marital sex are sinful, and masturbation. -D- — By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meet the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment, punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation.
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>For Biker1Babe: >Is there any way you can talk to my SO? He’s also a lawyer (we’re in >CT), and something about his dark Italian good looks and cafe au lait >skin screams out for bodmod. Don’t get me wrong – I love him as-is – >but I wouldn’t mind seeing him with some knotwork, or a small loop in >ear.
Hi Bridget — I can empathize, But, from my exp., the more you push him the more he will fight any urge he may have to get inked or whatever. You have to let him think that it is his idea so maybe you should not mention it at all for a while. Another possible alternative, the next time you see a moded great-looking guy pass by just say, "that guy looks really cool." He will get the message. Warning: do not do the later if your husband is super-uptight.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Here’s the deal. No questions… just a pure >gotta-get-it-off-of-my-chest-gripe. I am married to the most ridiculous >and stubborn man on the face of the earth. He says there is no way I can >have the BodMods that I want and still be successful. I have been totally >ridiculed for my desire for the art. Mostly what he is against is the >piercings. He claims that no real professional, who ever plans to go >anywhere, has these sort of things done to them. "It’s just not normal". >Plus, he says he is really repulsed by the whole thing.(But of course his >tattoo is THE exception) > Actually it’s kind of fun to have covert bodyart beneath the conservative >veneer that many professions require. > I just be careful not to have a coronary at work or my stuffed-shirt >colleagues would be too shocked to give me proper CPR! ;-)
I am a VP of Marketing for a retail chain and got my first tattoo this past July (birthday present for myself). Wanted one 10 years ago and was talked out of it by a boyfriend. My husband really didn’t like the idea. I told him it was too bad, it was my body. Got a beautiful bouquet of daylillies and leaves on my hip. No one can see it and even with a conservative bathing suit it can’t be seen. I did tell a peer at work while we were out to dinner out of town. he raised his eyebrows and then loved the idea of this "secret:. Think it turned him on… Sonya Sonya C.
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If you want to do a body piercing i think you should, it is more acceptable now than ever and will only get more so as time goes on. Im 27 years old and i have been a police officer for 4 years and i just had my tongue pierced Thursday afternoon 9-4-97, and i love it although i had it put slightly farther back for professional reasons but nobody can see it unless i show it to them. I currently have no other piercings and i have no tatoos either but im sure i will see what other option are out there for the future. So the bottom line is do what you want and dont let anyone else tell you otherwise.