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WOODSTOCK, Ont. (CP) – Ontario workers are well-trained. That simple explanation was cited as a main reason why Toyota turned its back on hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies offered from several American states in favour of building a second Ontario plant. Industry experts say Ontarians are easier and cheaper to train – helping make it more cost-efficient to train workers when the new Woodstock plant opens in 2008, 40 kilometres away from its skilled workforce in Cambridge. "The level of the workforce in general is so high that the training program you need for people, even for people who have not worked in a Toyota plant before, is minimal compared to what you have to go through in the southeastern United States," said Gerry Fedchun, president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers’ Association, whose members will see increased business with the new plant. The plant will produce the RAV-4, dubbed by some as a "mini sport-utility vehicle" that Toyota currently makes only in Japan. It plans to build 100,000 vehicles annually. The factory will cost $800 million to build, with the federal and provincial governments kicking in $125 million of that to help cover research, training and infrastructure costs. Several U.S. states were reportedly prepared to offer more than double that amount of subsidy. But Fedchun said much of that extra money would have been eaten away by higher training costs than are necessary for the Woodstock project. He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama due to an untrained – and often illiterate – workforce. In Alabama, trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech plant equipment. "The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said. In addition to lower training costs, Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care system in Canada, said federal Industry Minister David Emmerson. "Most people don’t think of our health-care system as being a competitive advantage," he said. What made Toyota so sensitive to labor quality issues? Maybe we should discount remarks from the president of the Toronto-based Automotive Parts Manufacturers’ Association, who claimed that the educational level in the Southern United States was so low that trainers for Japanese plants in Alabama had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech equipment. But there are other reports, some coming from state officials, that confirm his basic point: Japanese auto companies opening plants in the Southern U.S. have been unfavorably surprised by the work force’s poor level of training. There’s some bitter irony here for Alabama’s governor. Just two years ago voters overwhelmingly rejected his plea for an increase in the state’s rock-bottom taxes on the affluent, so that he could afford to improve the state’s low-quality education system. Opponents of the tax hike convinced voters that it would cost the state jobs.
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Canadians work cheaper. Moral of this story.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> WOODSTOCK, Ont. (CP) – Ontario workers are well-trained. > That simple explanation was cited as a main reason why Toyota turned > its back on hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies offered from > several American states in favour of building a second Ontario plant. > Industry experts say Ontarians are easier and cheaper to train – > helping make it more cost-efficient to train workers when the new > Woodstock plant opens in 2008, 40 kilometres away from its skilled > workforce in Cambridge. > "The level of the workforce in general is so high that the training > program you need for people, even for people who have not worked in a > Toyota plant before, is minimal compared to what you have to go through > in the southeastern United States," said Gerry Fedchun, president of > the Automotive Parts Manufacturers’ Association, whose members will see > increased business with the new plant. > The plant will produce the RAV-4, dubbed by some as a "mini > sport-utility vehicle" that Toyota currently makes only in Japan. It > plans to build 100,000 vehicles annually. > The factory will cost $800 million to build, with the federal and > provincial governments kicking in $125 million of that to help cover > research, training and infrastructure costs. > Several U.S. states were reportedly prepared to offer more than double > that amount of subsidy. But Fedchun said much of that extra money would > have been eaten away by higher training costs than are necessary for > the Woodstock project. > He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new > plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama > due to an untrained – and often illiterate – workforce. In Alabama, > trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how > to use high-tech plant equipment. > "The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is > so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said. > In addition to lower training costs, Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 > cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care > system in Canada, said federal Industry Minister David Emmerson. > "Most people don’t think of our health-care system as being a > competitive advantage," he said. > What made Toyota so sensitive to labor quality issues? Maybe we should > discount remarks from the president of the Toronto-based Automotive > Parts Manufacturers’ Association, who claimed that the educational > level in the Southern United States was so low that trainers for > Japanese plants in Alabama had to use "pictorials" to teach some > illiterate workers how to use high-tech equipment. > But there are other reports, some coming from state officials, that > confirm his basic point: Japanese auto companies opening plants in the > Southern U.S. have been unfavorably surprised by the work force’s poor > level of training. > There’s some bitter irony here for Alabama’s governor. Just two years > ago voters overwhelmingly rejected his plea for an increase in the > state’s rock-bottom taxes on the affluent, so that he could afford to > improve the state’s low-quality education system. Opponents of the tax > hike convinced voters that it would cost the state jobs.
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did courageously avow: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Canadians work cheaper. Moral of this story. > WOODSTOCK, Ont. (CP) – Ontario workers are well-trained. > That simple explanation was cited as a main reason why Toyota turned > its back on hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies offered from > several American states in favour of building a second Ontario plant. > Industry experts say Ontarians are easier and cheaper to train – > helping make it more cost-efficient to train workers when the new > Woodstock plant opens in 2008, 40 kilometres away from its skilled > workforce in Cambridge. > "The level of the workforce in general is so high that the training > program you need for people, even for people who have not worked in a > Toyota plant before, is minimal compared to what you have to go through > in the southeastern United States," said Gerry Fedchun, president of > the Automotive Parts Manufacturers’ Association, whose members will see > increased business with the new plant. > The plant will produce the RAV-4, dubbed by some as a "mini > sport-utility vehicle" that Toyota currently makes only in Japan. It > plans to build 100,000 vehicles annually. > The factory will cost $800 million to build, with the federal and > provincial governments kicking in $125 million of that to help cover > research, training and infrastructure costs. > Several U.S. states were reportedly prepared to offer more than double > that amount of subsidy. But Fedchun said much of that extra money would > have been eaten away by higher training costs than are necessary for > the Woodstock project. > He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new > plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama > due to an untrained – and often illiterate – workforce. In Alabama, > trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how > to use high-tech plant equipment. > "The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is > so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said. > In addition to lower training costs, Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 > cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care > system in Canada, said federal Industry Minister David Emmerson. > "Most people don’t think of our health-care system as being a > competitive advantage," he said. > What made Toyota so sensitive to labor quality issues? Maybe we should > discount remarks from the president of the Toronto-based Automotive > Parts Manufacturers’ Association, who claimed that the educational > level in the Southern United States was so low that trainers for > Japanese plants in Alabama had to use "pictorials" to teach some > illiterate workers how to use high-tech equipment. > But there are other reports, some coming from state officials, that > confirm his basic point: Japanese auto companies opening plants in the > Southern U.S. have been unfavorably surprised by the work force’s poor > level of training. > There’s some bitter irony here for Alabama’s governor. Just two years > ago voters overwhelmingly rejected his plea for an increase in the > state’s rock-bottom taxes on the affluent, so that he could afford to > improve the state’s low-quality education system. Opponents of the tax > hike convinced voters that it would cost the state jobs.
Please don’t be a John Wheaton. Outlook Express stripped the OT: from the front of the subject header. Look up Free Agent from Forte. It doesn’t have this problem. Ken Wilson Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, Doktor Freud, Freep the Xenophobe, Chuck, pseudobacker, Max Floater and the rest of the Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) and, at his own request, Lars Overshank (aka ‘The Cowardly Lion’) Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca http://www.criticalhistory.com/
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There is that better? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > did courageously avow: >Canadians work cheaper. Moral of this story. >> WOODSTOCK, Ont. (CP) – Ontario workers are well-trained. >> That simple explanation was cited as a main reason why Toyota turned >> its back on hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies offered from >> several American states in favour of building a second Ontario plant. >> Industry experts say Ontarians are easier and cheaper to train – >> helping make it more cost-efficient to train workers when the new >> Woodstock plant opens in 2008, 40 kilometres away from its skilled >> workforce in Cambridge. >> "The level of the workforce in general is so high that the training >> program you need for people, even for people who have not worked in a >> Toyota plant before, is minimal compared to what you have to go through >> in the southeastern United States," said Gerry Fedchun, president of >> the Automotive Parts Manufacturers’ Association, whose members will see >> increased business with the new plant. >> The plant will produce the RAV-4, dubbed by some as a "mini >> sport-utility vehicle" that Toyota currently makes only in Japan. It >> plans to build 100,000 vehicles annually. >> The factory will cost $800 million to build, with the federal and >> provincial governments kicking in $125 million of that to help cover >> research, training and infrastructure costs. >> Several U.S. states were reportedly prepared to offer more than double >> that amount of subsidy. But Fedchun said much of that extra money would >> have been eaten away by higher training costs than are necessary for >> the Woodstock project. >> He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new >> plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama >> due to an untrained – and often illiterate – workforce. In Alabama, >> trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how >> to use high-tech plant equipment. >> "The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is >> so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said. >> In addition to lower training costs, Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 >> cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care >> system in Canada, said federal Industry Minister David Emmerson. >> "Most people don’t think of our health-care system as being a >> competitive advantage," he said. >> What made Toyota so sensitive to labor quality issues? Maybe we should >> discount remarks from the president of the Toronto-based Automotive >> Parts Manufacturers’ Association, who claimed that the educational >> level in the Southern United States was so low that trainers for >> Japanese plants in Alabama had to use "pictorials" to teach some >> illiterate workers how to use high-tech equipment. >> But there are other reports, some coming from state officials, that >> confirm his basic point: Japanese auto companies opening plants in the >> Southern U.S. have been unfavorably surprised by the work force’s poor >> level of training. >> There’s some bitter irony here for Alabama’s governor. Just two years >> ago voters overwhelmingly rejected his plea for an increase in the >> state’s rock-bottom taxes on the affluent, so that he could afford to >> improve the state’s low-quality education system. Opponents of the tax >> hike convinced voters that it would cost the state jobs. > Please don’t be a John Wheaton. Outlook Express stripped the OT: from > the front of the subject header. Look up Free Agent from Forte. It > doesn’t have this problem. > Ken Wilson > Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, Doktor Freud, > Freep the Xenophobe, Chuck, pseudobacker, Max Floater and the rest of the > Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) > and, at his own request, Lars Overshank (aka ‘The Cowardly Lion’) > Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca > http://www.criticalhistory.com/
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the whole story to the moral of the story He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama due to an untrained – and often illiterate – workforce. In Alabama, trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech plant equipment. "The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said. In addition to lower training costs, Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care system in Canada, said federal Industry Minister David Emmerson.
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Since you are monitoring, there are around 40 posts on my server with no OT. Please discipline them. That is if you have time, while your grieving for the poor Japanese we vaporized, the poor Indians we wiped out, the Iraq innocent leadership we threw out, etc.etc.etc.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There is that better? > did courageously avow: >>Canadians work cheaper. Moral of this story. >>> WOODSTOCK, Ont. (CP) – Ontario workers are well-trained. >>> That simple explanation was cited as a main reason why Toyota turned >>> its back on hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies offered from >>> several American states in favour of building a second Ontario plant. >>> Industry experts say Ontarians are easier and cheaper to train – >>> helping make it more cost-efficient to train workers when the new >>> Woodstock plant opens in 2008, 40 kilometres away from its skilled >>> workforce in Cambridge. >>> "The level of the workforce in general is so high that the training >>> program you need for people, even for people who have not worked in a >>> Toyota plant before, is minimal compared to what you have to go through >>> in the southeastern United States," said Gerry Fedchun, president of >>> the Automotive Parts Manufacturers’ Association, whose members will see >>> increased business with the new plant. >>> The plant will produce the RAV-4, dubbed by some as a "mini >>> sport-utility vehicle" that Toyota currently makes only in Japan. It >>> plans to build 100,000 vehicles annually. >>> The factory will cost $800 million to build, with the federal and >>> provincial governments kicking in $125 million of that to help cover >>> research, training and infrastructure costs. >>> Several U.S. states were reportedly prepared to offer more than double >>> that amount of subsidy. But Fedchun said much of that extra money would >>> have been eaten away by higher training costs than are necessary for >>> the Woodstock project. >>> He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new >>> plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama >>> due to an untrained – and often illiterate – workforce. In Alabama, >>> trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how >>> to use high-tech plant equipment. >>> "The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is >>> so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said. >>> In addition to lower training costs, Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 >>> cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care >>> system in Canada, said federal Industry Minister David Emmerson. >>> "Most people don’t think of our health-care system as being a >>> competitive advantage," he said. >>> What made Toyota so sensitive to labor quality issues? Maybe we should >>> discount remarks from the president of the Toronto-based Automotive >>> Parts Manufacturers’ Association, who claimed that the educational >>> level in the Southern United States was so low that trainers for >>> Japanese plants in Alabama had to use "pictorials" to teach some >>> illiterate workers how to use high-tech equipment. >>> But there are other reports, some coming from state officials, that >>> confirm his basic point: Japanese auto companies opening plants in the >>> Southern U.S. have been unfavorably surprised by the work force’s poor >>> level of training. >>> There’s some bitter irony here for Alabama’s governor. Just two years >>> ago voters overwhelmingly rejected his plea for an increase in the >>> state’s rock-bottom taxes on the affluent, so that he could afford to >>> improve the state’s low-quality education system. Opponents of the tax >>> hike convinced voters that it would cost the state jobs. > Please don’t be a John Wheaton. Outlook Express stripped the OT: from > the front of the subject header. Look up Free Agent from Forte. It > doesn’t have this problem. > Ken Wilson > Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, Doktor Freud, > Freep the Xenophobe, Chuck, pseudobacker, Max Floater and the rest of the > Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) > and, at his own request, Lars Overshank (aka ‘The Cowardly Lion’) > Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca > http://www.criticalhistory.com/
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Exactly, the work cheaper & they have a socialist health care program, because "WE<< the U.S. taxpayers" provide their security. They don’t have to spend much on defense. Thanx for pointing that out. We got 2 more dang fires close by today. Next person I see toss a ciggy out the window, I will ram & beat the hell out of them! Texas Blue
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> the whole story to the moral of the story > He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new > plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama > due to an untrained – and often illiterate – workforce. In Alabama, > trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how > to use high-tech plant equipment. > "The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is > so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said. > In addition to lower training costs, Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 > cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care > system in Canada, said federal Industry Minister David Emmerson.
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gimme a break – pictorials??? I mean we cain’t read no more. Every year the women’s club in town raises money by having a Christmas tour of homes. All the socialists decorate their houses and they charge the hoi poi $$$ for a peak. I think you can get a pretty good idea about a person by looking at his book shelf. I am always shocked by how little people read. Most of these homes don’t even have a book shelf or a book on the night stand. You might see a Bible and a cook book or two but I’d say three outta four (and these are supposed to be our creme de la creme) don’t read so it comes as no surpise that the working stiff in Alabama need pictorials to learn his job. Also the Canadian health system focuses more on prevention then we do, so the work force does not get sick as much as down here where it costs at least $300 to get anything checked out so most people don’t until it’s a crisis and then it really costs or the patient dies. We taxpayers support WalMart plenty (corporate socialism) and when their employees finally show up at the emergency room it costs 4-5 times as much as what Canada paid to prevent the problem in their employees. As to defense – maybe Canada doesn’t have as many enemies as we do??? 
And maybe they beat us in the last war we started against them???? 
So why should they worry???
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did courageously avow: >There is that better? <snip> > Please don’t be a John Wheaton. Outlook Express stripped the OT: from > the front of the subject header. Look up Free Agent from Forte. It > doesn’t have this problem. > Ken Wilson
I just took a look at your header for this message. As long as you use Outlook Express it will strip the OT: while you’re not looking so you haven’t done anything other than to manually re-include the OT:. If you want to do this for every OT: post you respond to be your guest. Free Agent is free and it gives you better functionality than Outlook Express while not stripping subject header contents. http://www.forteinc.com/agent/ Ken Wilson Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, Doktor Freud, Freep the Xenophobe, Chuck, pseudobacker, Max Floater and the rest of the Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) and, at his own request, Lars Overshank (aka ‘The Cowardly Lion’) Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca http://www.criticalhistory.com/
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did courageously avow: >Since you are monitoring, there are around 40 posts on my server with no OT. >Please discipline them. >That is if you have time, while your grieving for the poor Japanese we >vaporized, the poor Indians we wiped out, the Iraq innocent leadership we >threw out, etc.etc.etc.
You can go to the same hell as John Wheaton. I’m merely trying to assist in keeping OT threads marked as OT and have offered you a solution. If you want to be the same infantile moron as John Wheaton by all means that is your prerogative. Hell, you can be the next Marc Mulay if it floats your boat. Ken Wilson Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, Doktor Freud, Freep the Xenophobe, Chuck, pseudobacker, Max Floater and the rest of the Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) and, at his own request, Lars Overshank (aka ‘The Cowardly Lion’) Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca http://www.criticalhistory.com/
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did courageously avow: >Exactly, the work cheaper & they have a socialist health care program, >because "WE<< the U.S. taxpayers" provide their security. They don’t have to >spend much on defense. >Thanx for pointing that out.
And here I thought all the whine in the U.S. only came from the Napa Valley. Sounds like somebody has a bad case of the Texan Sour Grapes. :-p Ken Wilson Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, Doktor Freud, Freep the Xenophobe, Chuck, pseudobacker, Max Floater and the rest of the Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) and, at his own request, Lars Overshank (aka ‘The Cowardly Lion’) Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca http://www.criticalhistory.com/
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>Exactly, the work cheaper & they have a socialist health care program,
I get $26 an hour… $40 overtime… you? >because "WE<< the U.S. taxpayers" provide their security. They don’t have to >spend much on defense.
ummm security from who? Exactly how are you saving us money on defense?? I’m sure we could ask the British to nuke anyone bothering us… It’s true that we don’t have a huge military, but how could we? We have the population of NY state! California is more populous then us! How big is their navy?! But you know what? We have to build a fleet of icebreakers now, to defend our arctic… against who? YOU!! The US of A who like to trespass in our waters!
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What made Toyota so sensitive to labor quality issues? Maybe we should discount remarks from the president of the Toronto-based Automotive Parts Manufacturers’ Association, who claimed that the educational level in the Southern United States was so low that trainers for Japanese plants in Alabama had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech equipment. and health care
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hummmmm you can acuse me of run-on sentances today. But as I posted in this message – Canadians can take care of themselves, even in a fight with us. They don’t need no stinkin US Armed Forces.