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OT: No more Camero and Firebird
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >>>an i have some of that crack you are smoking? there is no 5th gen > trans am > >>>or > >>>camaro planned at present. go read the news > >>that’s what they said at www.blueovalnews.com > >hey dick! thats a ford website. like they have any clue about > camaros? > >they > >still think mustangs are faster, let along know anything else. > Oh so now I’m a dick huh? Because I said something that doesn’t go > with what > you have accepted as the golden truth? The cambirds still have 2 more > years of > production….we’ll see. Remember what happened with the Mustang in > 87? > when it was announced that the Tbird was going away I heard nothing > about it coming back after a few years. that did not come out until > about a year after I heard it was discontinued, and I was working for > ford at the time. if the camaro and firebird are leaving us, it will > only be a short time. it is not like they don’t have a market for them.
They may have a market, but GM sure isn’t doing a very good job of making a car that appeals to anyone. Here are the sales numbers of the Mustang, Camaro, and Firebird from 1-1-99 to 11-13-1999 Mustang 170,533 Camaro 39,038 Firebird 31,811 Since the all cars occupy the same market area, there is obviously a market. If GM only made a car that appealed to the car buying public. Heck, the Mustang production even stopped for a couple weeks and there were about 25K unfilled orders.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>an i have some of that crack you are smoking? there is no 5th gen trans am >>>or >>>camaro planned at present. go read the news >>that’s what they said at www.blueovalnews.com >hey dick! thats a ford website. like they have any clue about camaros? >they >still think mustangs are faster, let along know anything else. > Oh so now I’m a dick huh? Because I said something that doesn’t go with what > you have accepted as the golden truth? The cambirds still have 2 more years of > production….we’ll see. Remember what happened with the Mustang in 87?
when it was announced that the Tbird was going away I heard nothing about it coming back after a few years. that did not come out until about a year after I heard it was discontinued, and I was working for ford at the time. if the camaro and firebird are leaving us, it will only be a short time. it is not like they don’t have a market for them. — Sam Paragon Crushes flawed list club!! http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Halfpipe/9690/ Before you buy.
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The facts : – BlueOval news maybe a ford oriented site, but this guy is also checking other companies too, and read the whole article… you’ll see that he has been invited to a GM presentation… – Cam/Birds will be produced in St-Therese, PQ, Canada Factory until 2002(incl.) as stated by GM. There was a problem with plant workers and now it’s all okay… they WILL be producing up to 2000 at St-Therese, next, this plant will turn into something else (modular plant for GM, also the plant may be buyed by a sub-contractor). – That 2000 deadline thing has just been started because someone posted an erroneous article stating that production will end in 2000. Wich GM has corrected. – GM NEVER stated that there will be no more cambirds, just stated that they will do some to 2002, – FBodies sales are going down, the market is more for SUV, minivans, and roadsters for sports ca (S2000 is another example) Now my personal thoughts : – i GUESS that by 2002, the 4th gen will be over (10years is enough for this gen i think). And if the plant will be reorganized, there is no reason they would continue building the actual gen and setup a new plant to continue the production. – we all suppose that there will be no 5th gen. but GM never confirmed that. – it seems that prototypes are going on and the new powerplant will be built for the corvette anyway… (LS4) – in 92, FBodies were supposed to die and we all got a little surprise… – i think that 2002 will be last 4th gen years, production may stop for a couple of years and whem the market will change again, new cars will be build under the Camaro/Bird names – i would better like if GM wound modify the corvette prices and lineup to get a powerfull but with less options corvette, that would fill the need for lower budget sports car (30-40K$) (current market of the fbodies). The hardtop is a good example but they should make more stuff optional and lower the price of the whole line. – fbodies did have poor sales, but they never has been marketed as they do with the other cars… i dont remember seeing any tv ad of the fbodies around here… and when it comes to the dealer, if you would like to buy a new one, you’ll have to face delays of several months to see your car… that discourage lots of ppl… – i dont care that much if they kill the 4th gen FBodies… i already got mine, but i think even if you dont like musclecar style, that is just a bad thing that another sports car may die… lots of them are now discontined or not available in some contries (300ZX, 3000GT, Talon, Eclipse, Laser, Stealth, etc..) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > : GM has now officially denied that the F bodies will be discontinued. > I believe they’ve only denied they’ll be discontinued in 2000.
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: >the cambird is still scheduled to be produced : >until 2003. : : Actually, production ends fall, 2001, according to GM. : I believe all GM has said is that production ends in THAT PLANT then.
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> >Kinda taking it personally, huh? I just said that’s what I thought. >Dumbfuck. > hey you are the one who is a dumbfuck. im not the one talking out of my ass > like you are. just let it die. you were wrong, its ok.
Well, I know you like to post just for kicks and all, but I will reply anyway. He didn’t say he was right, he just said that he thought that something was going to happen, and it didn’t. I guess observations about past thoughts that ended up being wrong are not tolerated by you, right? Even when the guy who makes them admits that he is wrong. Hopefully this post will amuse your chaos-meter. Enjoy. P.S. should be about time to change your car list down there, no? how about trying to acquire one of them 1984 70hp front-wheel-drive corvettes? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > ‘99 Ford SVT Contour > ‘89 Daihatsu Rocky 4 x 4 (w/B16R Mugen engine swap) > ‘98 TM 250 ISDE replica > ‘56 Lionel ‘Texas Special’ F3-ABA locomotives
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>Oh so now I’m a dick huh? Because I said something that doesn’t go with what >you have accepted as the golden truth? The cambirds still have 2 more years >of >production….we’ll see
wrong again. it was already announced today that its over. wrong twice in one day, gee the coincidence astounds me. ‘99 Ford SVT Contour ‘89 Daihatsu Rocky 4 x 4 (w/B16R Mugen engine swap) ‘98 TM 250 ISDE replica ‘56 Lionel ‘Texas Special’ F3-ABA locomotives
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GM has now officially denied that the F bodies will be discontinued.
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Too bad they don’t have a factory to build the cars when their current cycle is up. Maybe in 5-6 years they will come out with another one, but 2001 or so the fbody is dead.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->GM has now officially denied that the F bodies will be discontinued.
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> Just saw on the business channel that the Camero/Firebird will be > discontinued next year. I would have thought the Corvette would be the > first to go. > Will the Mustang be next?
No. Ford already has plans for the Mustangs next iteration at 2003, and it should continue long after that.
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Odd I always assumed the Cam/bird to go 1st because of the similarity to the Corvette. Sell more Corvettes with them gone! Maybe the Corvette will have a striped version for near Cam/bird $. The Mustang not anytime soon sorry!!! Jason L. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Just saw on the business channel that the >Camero/Firebird will be discontinued next year. >I would have thought the Corvette would be the >first to go. >Will the Mustang be next?
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>Just saw on the business channel that the Camero/Firebird will be >discontinued next year. I would have thought the Corvette would be the >first to go. >Will the Mustang be next?
The Corvette is the all-American sports car. To cancel it’s production would be to kill an American icon of the past 4 decades. BASSik http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/7074/delsol/mainsol.html
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I may be wrong regarding the Mustang, Firebird or whatever… Now you want to just let it die after insulted me again? If you don’t want to be called a dumdfuck, don’t start calling people names. Remember you were the one who started it. What a prick. >Kinda taking it personally, huh? I just said that’s what I thought. >Dumbfuck. > hey you are the one who is a dumbfuck. im not the one talking out of my ass > like you are. just let it die. you were wrong, its ok. > ‘99 Ford SVT Contour > ‘89 Daihatsu Rocky 4 x 4 (w/B16R Mugen engine swap) > ‘98 TM 250 ISDE replica > ‘56 Lionel ‘Texas Special’ F3-ABA locomotives
Before you buy.
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>>Oh so now I’m a dick huh? Because I said something that doesn’t go with what >you have accepted as the golden truth? The cambirds still have 2 more years >of >production….we’ll see >wrong again. it was already announced today that its over. wrong twice in >one >day, gee the coincidence astounds me.
No, I’m right on that one….the cambird is still scheduled to be produced until 2003. Maybe if you stopped being so arrogant you’d look around and read up on it. Michael ~~’88 Mustang LX 5.0L~~ Automatic, fully loaded, sunroof, black 2 1/2 MAC exhaust, 3.73’s, K&N/No silencer http://home.earthlink.net/~kjmcevoy/mikes.html
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>the cambird is still scheduled to be produced >until 2003.
Actually, production ends fall, 2001, according to GM.
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: GM has now officially denied that the F bodies will be discontinued. I believe they’ve only denied they’ll be discontinued in 2000.
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: : >Just saw on the business channel that the Camero/Firebird will be : >discontinued next year. I would have thought the Corvette would be the : >first to go. : > : >Will the Mustang be next? : : The Corvette is the all-American sports car. To cancel it’s production : would be to kill an American icon of the past 4 decades. Like Plymouth? Or the Thunderbird? (When it was dropped a couple of years ago, nobody knew if it’d be back.) Or the Riviera? Lincoln Mark? Jeep Wagoneer? Cars get dropped. Fact of life.
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Kinda taking it personally, huh? I just said that’s what I thought. Dumbfuck. > I would have thought the Corvette would be the >first to go. > they sell every last one they make dickbag. >Will the Mustang be next? > yeah sure. have any idea how many stangs are made each year? > ‘99 Ford SVT Contour > ‘89 Daihatsu Rocky 4 x 4 (w/B16R Mugen engine swap) > ‘98 TM 250 ISDE replica > ‘56 Lionel ‘Texas Special’ F3-ABA locomotives
Before you buy.
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>>an i have some of that crack you are smoking? there is no 5th gen trans am >or >camaro planned at present. go read the news >that’s what they said at www.blueovalnews.com
hey dick! thats a ford website. like they have any clue about camaros? they still think mustangs are faster, let along know anything else.
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>Kinda taking it personally, huh? I just said that’s what I thought. >Dumbfuck.
hey you are the one who is a dumbfuck. im not the one talking out of my ass like you are. just let it die. you were wrong, its ok. ‘99 Ford SVT Contour ‘89 Daihatsu Rocky 4 x 4 (w/B16R Mugen engine swap) ‘98 TM 250 ISDE replica ‘56 Lionel ‘Texas Special’ F3-ABA locomotives
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>>>an i have some of that crack you are smoking? there is no 5th gen trans am >>or >>camaro planned at present. go read the news >that’s what they said at www.blueovalnews.com >hey dick! thats a ford website. like they have any clue about camaros? >they >still think mustangs are faster, let along know anything else.
Oh so now I’m a dick huh? Because I said something that doesn’t go with what you have accepted as the golden truth? The cambirds still have 2 more years of production….we’ll see. Remember what happened with the Mustang in 87? Michael ~~’88 Mustang LX 5.0L~~ Automatic, fully loaded, sunroof, black 2 1/2 MAC exhaust, 3.73’s, K&N/No silencer http://home.earthlink.net/~kjmcevoy/mikes.html
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>an i have some of that crack you are smoking? there is no 5th gen trans am >or >camaro planned at present. go read the news
that’s what they said at www.blueovalnews.com Michael ~~’88 Mustang LX 5.0L~~ Automatic, fully loaded, sunroof, black 2 1/2 MAC exhaust, 3.73’s, K&N/No silencer http://home.earthlink.net/~kjmcevoy/mikes.html
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Just saw on the business channel that the Camero/Firebird will be discontinued next year. I would have thought the Corvette would be the first to go. Will the Mustang be next? Before you buy.
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> I would have thought the Corvette would be the >first to go.
they sell every last one they make dickbag. >Will the Mustang be next?
yeah sure. have any idea how many stangs are made each year? ‘99 Ford SVT Contour ‘89 Daihatsu Rocky 4 x 4 (w/B16R Mugen engine swap) ‘98 TM 250 ISDE replica ‘56 Lionel ‘Texas Special’ F3-ABA locomotives
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>Just saw on the business channel that the Camero/Firebird will be >discontinued next year. I would have thought the Corvette would be the >first to go.
That’s been discovered to not be true. If anything, they will skip a model year (like the T-bird) and return. The camaro and firebird will still like on into it’s 5th generation Michael ~~’88 Mustang LX 5.0L~~ Automatic, fully loaded, sunroof, black 2 1/2 MAC exhaust, 3.73’s, K&N/No silencer http://home.earthlink.net/~kjmcevoy/mikes.html
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>That’s been discovered to not be true. If anything, they will skip a model >year >(like the T-bird) and return. The camaro and firebird will still like on into >it’s 5th generation
can i have some of that crack you are smoking? there is no 5th gen trans am or camaro planned at present. go read the news ‘99 Ford SVT Contour ‘89 Daihatsu Rocky 4 x 4 (w/B16R Mugen engine swap) ‘98 TM 250 ISDE replica ‘56 Lionel ‘Texas Special’ F3-ABA locomotives