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Al Queda second in command vows more attacks.  Says it’s not about religion but about oppression of Palestine and the presence of American troops in their holy lands. Is the right scamming us?  Trying to use religious zealotry because doing it for the oil doesn’t sell as well?  You be the judge. Ken Wilson Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas,  Freep the Xenophobe, and the rest of the  Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE)  And at his own request, Lars GotShanked Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca

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It’s really a hoot the way we stood in favor of the poor wronged Afghanis when the former Soviet Union was in there. THEN they were freedom fighters, opposing a big, overbearing,  brutal invader in the only way they could, through guerilla tactics. Now that it’s WE who are throwing our weight around, suddenly, they’re terrorists. Holliston Perni http://www.AmericanJunta.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Al Queda second in command vows more attacks.  Says it’s not about > religion but about oppression of Palestine and the presence of > American troops in their holy lands. > Is the right scamming us?  Trying to use religious zealotry because > doing it for the oil doesn’t sell as well?  You be the judge. > Ken Wilson > Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, > Freep the Xenophobe, and the rest of the > Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) > And at his own request, Lars GotShanked > Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca

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> Al Queda second in command vows more attacks.  Says it’s not about > religion but about oppression of Palestine and the presence of > American troops in their holy lands. > Is the right scamming us?  Trying to use religious zealotry because > doing it for the oil doesn’t sell as well?  You be the judge. > Ken Wilson > Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, >  Freep the Xenophobe, and the rest of the >  Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) >  And at his own request, Lars GotShanked > Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca

Most people don’t understand (or, even try to understand) *why* the terrorists even exist and are trying to harm us. They are the bad guys, because we said so.  Period.  That’s the general attitude in the USA. A little bit of education would go a looooong way and open a lot of eyes. But….it’s too bad that most can’t be bothered with that. Mike

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Sure, fellas — because Zawihari wouldn’t scam us, would he? It’s absolutely a GIVEN that you believe every word HE says. That’s why we don’t elect your sort. Keep telling us how you believe him, though… people might forget. Freep

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Al Queda second in command vows more attacks.  Says it’s not about > religion but about oppression of Palestine and the presence of > American troops in their holy lands. > Is the right scamming us?  Trying to use religious zealotry because > doing it for the oil doesn’t sell as well?  You be the judge. > Ken Wilson > Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, >  Freep the Xenophobe, and the rest of the >  Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) >  And at his own request, Lars GotShanked > Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca > Most people don’t understand (or, even try to understand) *why* the > terrorists even exist and are trying to harm us. > They are the bad guys, because we said so.  Period.  That’s the general > attitude in the USA. > A little bit of education would go a looooong way and open a lot of eyes. > But….it’s too bad that most can’t be bothered with that. > Mike

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> Zawihari wouldn’t scam us, would he? It’s absolutely > a GIVEN that you believe every word HE says

It’s amazing that he and Dubya have so much in common.

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So you’re saying you think he WOULD? I think I can safely assume that you’re not saying that GWB *wouldn’t*… Well then you ought to tell Pritch and Kenny. They don’t know. He says it, and they believe. Freep

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Zawihari wouldn’t scam us, would he? It’s absolutely > a GIVEN that you believe every word HE says > It’s amazing that he and Dubya have so much in common.

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http://www.worldpress.org/specials/pp/pipeline_timeline.htm 1996 IS THE BOMB fEBRUARY Agreement between Afghan government and Bridas signed. Suit filed by Bridas in Texas against Unocal/Delta for interference in its business in Turkmenistan. March U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan, Tom Simmons, urges Bhutto to give exclusive rights to Unocal. Bhutto offended and demands apology. May Turkmenisatn, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, and Afghanistan agree that Turkmenistan should name the consortium to build the pipeline. Opening of 100-mile railway route linking Turkmenistan and Iran. August Unocal/Delta and Turkmenistan’s Turkmenrosgaz along with Russia’s Gazprom enter into agreement for pipeline project. Septmeber Unocal says it will give aid to to Afghan warlords once they agree to form a council to supervise the project. Taliban take Kabul. October Unocal expresses suport for Taliban takover, saying it makes pipeline project easier. Unocal later says it was misquoted. November Bridas signs agreement with Taliban and Gen. Dostum to build pipeline. December Turkey to buy Turkmen gas through Iran. NEWS YOU’LL DENY After Bush’s accession to the presidency, various Taliban envoys were received at the State Department, CIA, and National Security Council. The CIA, which appears, more than ever, to be a virtual extended family of the Bush oil interests, facilitated a renewed approach to the Taliban. The CIA agent who helped set up the Afghan mujaheddin, Milt Bearden, continued to defend the interests of the Taliban. He bemoaned the fact that the United States never really bothered to understand the Taliban when he told the Washington Post last October, "We never heard what they were trying to say… We had no common language. Ours was, ‘Give up bin Laden.’ They were saying, ‘Do something to help us give him up.’ " There were even reports that the CIA met with their old mujaheddin operative bin Laden in the months before September 11 attacks. The French newspaper Le Figaro quoted an Arab specialist named Antoine Sfeir who postulated that the CIA met with bin Laden in July in a failed attempt to bring him back under its fold. Sfeir said the CIA maintained links with bin Laden before the U.S. attacked his terrorist training camps in Afghanistan in 1998 and, more astonishingly, kept them going even after the attacks. Sfeir told the paper, "Until the last minute, CIA agents hoped bin Laden would return to U.S. command, as was the case before 1998." Bin Laden actually officially broke with the US in 1991 when US troops began arriving in Saudi Arabia during Operation Desert Storm. Bin Laden felt this was a violation of the Saudi regime’s responsibility to protect the Islamic Holy Shrines of Mecca and Medina from the infidels. Bin Laden’s anti-American and anti-House of Saud rhetoric soon reached a fever pitch. The Clinton administration made numerous attempts to kill Bin Laden. In August 1998, Al Qaeda operatives blew up several U.S. embassies in Africa. In response, Bill Clinton ordered cruise missiles to be launched from US ships in the Persian Gulf into Afghanistan, which missed Bin Laden by a few hours. The Clinton administration also devised a plan with Pakistan’s ISI to send a team of assassins into Afghanistan to kill Bin Laden. But Pakistan’s government was overthrown by General Musharraf, who was viewed as particularly close to the Taliban. The CIA cancelled its plans, fearing Musharraf’s ISI would tip off the Taliban and Bin Laden. . The CIA’s connections to the ISI in the months before September 11 and the weeks after are also worthy of a full-blown investigation. The CIA continues to maintain an unhealthy alliance with the ISI, the organization that groomed bin Laden and the Taliban. Last September, the head of the ISI, General Mahmud Ahmed, was fired by Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf for his pro-Taliban leanings and reportedly after the U.S. government presented Musharraf with disturbing intelligence linking the general to the terrorist hijackers. General Ahmed was in Washington, DC on the morning of September 11 meeting with CIA and State Department officials as the hijacked planes slammed into the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Later, both the Northern Alliance spokesman in Washington, Haron Amin, and Indian intelligence, in an apparent leak to The Times of India, confirmed that General Ahmed ordered a Pakistani-born British citizen and known terrorist named Ahmed Umar Sheik to wire $100,000 from Pakistan to the U.S. bank account of Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker. When the FBI traced calls made between General Ahmed and Sheik’s cellular phone – the number having been supplied by Indian intelligence to the FBI – a pattern linking the general with Sheik clearly emerged. According to The Times of India, the revelation that General Ahmed was involved in the Sheik-Atta money transfer was more than enough for a nervous and embarrassed Bush administration. It pressed Musharraf to dump General Ahmed. Musharraf mealy-mouthed the announcement of his general’s dismissal by stating Ahmed "requested" early retirement. Sheik was well known to the Indian police. He was arrested in New Delhi in 1994 for plotting to kidnap four foreigners, including an American citizen. Sheik was released by the Indians in 1999 in a swap for passengers on board New Delhi-bound Indian Airlines flight 814, hijacked by Islamic militants from Kathmandu, Nepal to Kandahar, Afghanistan. India continues to believe the ISI played a part in the hijacking since the hijackers were affiliated with the pro-bin Laden Kashmiri terrorist group, Harkat-ul-Mujaheddin, a group only recently and quite belatedly placed on the State Department’s terrorist list. The ISI and bin Laden’s Al Qaeda reportedly assists the group in its operations against Indian government targets in Kashmir. The FBI, which assisted its Indian counterpart in the investigation of the Indian Airlines hijacking, says it wants information leading to the arrest of those involved in the terrorist attacks. Yet, no move has been made to question General Ahmed or those U.S. government officials, including Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, who met with him in September. Clearly, General Ahmed was a major player in terrorist activities across South Asia, yet still had very close ties to the U.S. government. General Ahmed’s terrorist-supporting activities – and the U.S. government officials who tolerated those activities – need to be investigated. The Taliban visits to Washington continued up to a few months prior to the September 11 attacks. The State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research’s South Asian Division maintained constant satellite telephone contact with the Taliban in Kandahar and Kabul. Washington permitted the Taliban to maintain a diplomatic office in Queens, New York headed by Taliban diplomat Abdul Hakim Mojahed. In addition, U.S. officials, including Assistant Secretary of State for South Asian Affairs Christina Rocca, who is also a former CIA officer, visited Taliban diplomatic officials in Islamabad. In the meantime, the Bush administration took a hostile attitude towards the Islamic State of Afghanistan, otherwise known as the Northern Alliance. Even though the United Nations recognized the alliance as the legitimate government of Afghanistan, the Bush administration, with oil at the forefront of its goals, decided to follow the lead of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and curry favor with the Taliban mullahs of Afghanistan. The visits of Islamist radicals did not end with the Taliban. In July 2001, the head of Pakistan’s pro-bin Laden Jamiaat-i-Islami Party, Qazi Hussein Ahmed, also reportedly was received at the George Bush Center for Intelligence (aka, CIA headquarters) in Langley, Virginia. According to the Washington Post, the Special Envoy of Mullah Omar, Rahmatullah Hashami, even came to Washington bearing a gift carpet for President Bush from the one-eyed Taliban leader. The Village Voice reported that Hashami, on behalf of the Taliban, offered the Bush administration to hold on to bin Laden long enough for the United States to capture or kill him but, inexplicably, the administration refused. Meanwhile, Spozhmai Maiwandi, the director of the Voice of America’s Pashtun service, jokingly nicknamed "Kandahar Rose" by her colleagues, aired favorable reports on the Taliban, including a controversial interview with Mullah Omar. The Bush administration’s dalliances with the Taliban may have even continued after the start of the bombing campaign against their country. According to European intelligence sources, a number of European governments were concerned that the CIA and Big Oil were pressuring the Bush administration not to engage in an initial serious ground war on behalf of the Northern Alliance in order to placate Pakistan and its Taliban compatriots. The early-on decision to stick with an incessant air bombardment, they reasoned, was causing too many civilian deaths and increasing the shakiness of the international coalition. The obvious, and woefully underreported, interfaces between the Bush administration, UNOCAL, the CIA, the Taliban, Enron, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, the groundwork for which was laid when the Bush Oil team was on the sidelines during the Clinton administration, is making the Republicans worried. Vanquished vice presidential candidate Joseph Lieberman is in the ironic position of being the senator who will chair the Senate Government Affairs Committee hearings on the collapse of Enron. The roads from Enron also lead to Afghanistan and murky Bush oil politics. UNOCAL was also clearly concerned about its past ties to the Taliban. On September 14, just three days after terrorists of the Afghan-base al Qaeda movement crashed their planes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon, UNOCAL issued the following statement: "The company is not supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan in any way whatsoever. Nor do we have any project … read more »

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