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>Silent! I would’nt put F100 as silent. It’s as noisy as DC-9 (specially in >the rear).
Inside the aircraft, this is roughly true. Outside the aircraft, this is definitely not true — the F-100 is much quieter.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I love this silent 100 seater, I fly it between AMS and BGO. > Silent! I would’nt put F100 as silent. It’s as noisy as DC-9 (specially in > the rear). > In fact when I flew from PIT to STL, I even heard the captian commenting to > the new crew-captian (at STL) ‘noisy as usual’. > Renal Bhalakia.
–I can’t dissagree more. Having sat in the second to last row, alongside the engines, I was amazed how quiet the aircraft was. –==++AJC++==–
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> > > I love this silent 100 seater, I fly it between AMS and BGO. > Silent! I would’nt put F100 as silent. It’s as noisy as DC-9 (specially in > the rear).
I sit in the front, and do almost not hear the engines. hans
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> >Silent! I would’nt put F100 as silent. It’s as noisy as DC-9 (specially in >the rear). > Inside the aircraft, this is roughly true. > Outside the aircraft, this is definitely not true — the F-100 is much > quieter.
As a passenger, I’m more concerned about the noise inside. 
Renal Bhalakia.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Silent! I would’nt put F100 as silent. It’s as noisy as DC-9 (specially > in > >the rear). > Inside the aircraft, this is roughly true. > Outside the aircraft, this is definitely not true — the F-100 is much > quieter. > As a passenger, I’m more concerned about the noise inside. > Renal Bhalakia.
–As a passenger who is also a nice caring community spirited individual, I’m concerned about the noise both inside and out. 
–==++AJC++==–
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Probably 2/3 config, 2/2 in FC. It is a tight cabin, go for an exit row. NG Livingston, The Incognitraveler http://www.ticked.com
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > Just found out I am flying a F100 from PHL to BUF on US Airways. What is > > > their configuration for this plane. Also is Fokker still making these > > > planes? From pictures, it looks like a short DC9. > > –Well it is shorter than some DC9s and longer than others. Economy is a 2-3 > > configuration. Fokker went out of business a few years ago, mainly because >of > > poor management. It is a great little plane to fly in. > I love this silent 100 seater, I fly it between AMS and BGO. >Silent! I would’nt put F100 as silent. It’s as noisy as DC-9 (specially in >the rear). >In fact when I flew from PIT to STL, I even heard the captian commenting to >the new crew-captian (at STL) ‘noisy as usual’.
I once flew US Airways and transferred from an F100 to a B737-300. The F100 was significantly quiter than the B737. However, I was flying First Class. Thus, comparing noise in the front, the F100 has an "unfair" advantage with its rear-mounted engines.
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> > Just found out I am flying a F100 from PHL to BUF on US Airways. What is > their configuration for this plane. Also is Fokker still making these > planes? From pictures, it looks like a short DC9. > –Well it is shorter than some DC9s and longer than others. Economy is a 2-3 > configuration. Fokker went out of business a few years ago, mainly because of > poor management. It is a great little plane to fly in.
I love this silent 100 seater, I fly it between AMS and BGO. As to Fokker, they’re not completely out of business. According to a couple of KLM pilots, plans are made to resurrect this vital part of European aviation industry. hans
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> > > Just found out I am flying a F100 from PHL to BUF on US Airways. What is > > their configuration for this plane. Also is Fokker still making these > > planes? From pictures, it looks like a short DC9. > –Well it is shorter than some DC9s and longer than others. Economy is a 2-3 > configuration. Fokker went out of business a few years ago, mainly because of > poor management. It is a great little plane to fly in. > I love this silent 100 seater, I fly it between AMS and BGO.
Silent! I would’nt put F100 as silent. It’s as noisy as DC-9 (specially in the rear). In fact when I flew from PIT to STL, I even heard the captian commenting to the new crew-captian (at STL) ‘noisy as usual’. > As to Fokker, they’re not completely out of business. According > to a couple of KLM pilots, plans are made to resurrect this > vital part of European aviation industry. > hans
Renal Bhalakia.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just found out I am flying a F100 from PHL to BUF on US Airways. What is > their configuration for this plane. Also is Fokker still making these > planes? From pictures, it looks like a short DC9. > TIA, > alec > –Well it is shorter than some DC9s and longer than others. Economy is a 2-3 > configuration. Fokker went out of business a few years ago, mainly because of > poor management. It is a great little plane to fly in.
Well, if you do not like DC-9, you won’t like this one. Especially, I hate DC-9 (and by the same virute F-100, eventhough I have flow this bird only once). The rear twin-engined jets, somehow do not appeal to me. These are the only damn aircrafts which screw up my ears. (Pressurization problems). Renal Bhalakia.
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> Just found out I am flying a F100 from PHL to BUF on US Airways. What is > their configuration for this plane. Also is Fokker still making these > planes? From pictures, it looks like a short DC9. > TIA, > alec
–Well it is shorter than some DC9s and longer than others. Economy is a 2-3 configuration. Fokker went out of business a few years ago, mainly because of poor management. It is a great little plane to fly in. –==++AJC++==–
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>Just found out I am flying a F100 from PHL to BUF on US Airways. What is >their configuration for this plane. Also is Fokker still making these >planes? From pictures, it looks like a short DC9.
If you have artificial legs, check them as baggage before you get on the plane because there’s no room for them if attached.
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>Just found out I am flying a F100 from PHL to BUF on US Airways. What is >their configuration for this plane. Also is Fokker still making these >planes? From pictures, it looks like a short DC9.
2-3 (or 3-2) and a bit squishier than a DC-9 Fokker has gone the way of the Dodo. Not F100 (or the F28 predecessor) and F-50 (F-27) anymore. replace royaumeuni with the abbreviation of the U_nited K_ingdom of England, Scotland, Wales & N. Ireland to reply
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One item of note if you’re extremely safety conscious – the F-100 (and some other Fokkers) do not have any exits in the rear of the plane! If you’re in the back half, you would have to move forward to the overwing exits. You may want to get the furthest forward seat assignment you can… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just found out I am flying a F100 from PHL to BUF on US Airways. What is > their configuration for this plane. Also is Fokker still making these > planes? From pictures, it looks like a short DC9. > TIA, > alec > — > Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, > attain the quality of deeds. – Elie Wiesel
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I believe that Fokker went out of business a few years ago. US Airways posts the seat configurations for all their aircraft on their web site: www.usairways.com. The F100 has a 2-3 seating configuration. DT – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just found out I am flying a F100 from PHL to BUF on US Airways. What is > their configuration for this plane. Also is Fokker still making these > planes? From pictures, it looks like a short DC9. > TIA, > alec > — > Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, > attain the quality of deeds. – Elie Wiesel
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Alec, Hi there! I visit my mother once a month in Knoxville, TN (TYS) and I always seem to end up on the USAirways F-100 after I change planes in CLT. I actually like this aircraft quite a bit. USAirways seating configuration for the F-100 is as follows: First Class – 12 Coach Class – 85 Total Seating Capacity – 97 Here’s a link to USAirways’ F100 seat diagram: http://www.usairways.com/travel/passinfo/seat/fok_1.htm The F-100 is quiet, comfortable, and overall a great plane to travel in. It’s similar to the DC-9-30, but a lot newer and much quieter. Unfortunately, I am not sure if the F-100 is still in production. I think it is, but am not totally sure on that. Hope this answers some questions…Feel free to email if you have any other questions! Later, Jeremy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ——Original Message—– Newsgroups: rec.travel.air Just found out I am flying a F100 from PHL to BUF on US Airways. What is their configuration for this plane. Also is Fokker still making these planes? From pictures, it looks like a short DC9. TIA, alec
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Just found out I am flying a F100 from PHL to BUF on US Airways. What is their configuration for this plane. Also is Fokker still making these planes? From pictures, it looks like a short DC9. TIA, alec — Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. – Elie Wiesel
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> Just found out I am flying a F100 from PHL to BUF on US Airways. What is > their configuration for this plane. Also is Fokker still making these > planes? From pictures, it looks like a short DC9.
In coach, seating is 2-3, as on a DC-9. Since the fuselage is narrower, however, it’s a little more cramped. No, Fokker is no longer making them. In fact, Fokker is no longer making ANYTHING — they went bankrupt a few years ago. There have been discussion about re-starting production, but nothing has happened yet. Stefano Pagiola — All opinions are my own. Check out my web site at http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2366/self.html Visit Smiliner: The BAe 146/Avro RJ site at http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2366/smiliner.html
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>USAirused both F’s and 737’s on the route since they started the >"shuttle" a few years back. Better than flying CO’s 737-130.
Actually, everytime I’ve flown on the EWR-BOS shuttle on Continental, I’ve always wound up on either an MD-80 or a 727-200. I’d certainly prefer an MD-80 to a 737 or a F28 any day. Best,
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>>USAirused both F’s and 737’s on the route since they started the >"shuttle" a few years back. Better than flying CO’s 737-130. > Actually, everytime I’ve flown on the EWR-BOS shuttle on Continental, > I’ve always wound up on either an MD-80 or a 727-200. I’d certainly > prefer an MD-80 to a 737 or a F28 any day.
Why? > Best,
regards. sinan
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: I can think of one good use for those F28-1000’s with 65 seats. If you take : out a row of seats, then the plane is small enough to fly between Canada and : the US wihthout the usual bi-laterial neg. that go on for bigger planes. : Hello USeless air, you’re missing an opportunity here!! Toronto to : Washington (DCA please, not IAD) needs a plane or two a day, without a stop : in Boston. There must be quite a few city pairs that a small jet could : clean up on. : Rob Only one problem! The F28 is not Stage 3 compliant (correct me if I’m wrong). Besides I think the 60 seat rule you are referring to is based on max seating cap., not real. Althoug I am not quite sure about this. Anders
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: The F28 and F100 have more familial similarities, in terms of being : short-ish narrowbodies. The B727 is a short to medium-range narrowbody : plane, while the B747 is a medium to long range widebody plane (there : ain’t no confusin’ THIS plane with anything else). I don’t see how you : could even compare. Isn’t the F100 even on the same type certificate as the F28, just as a different version. I’m sure Fokker was planning to do this, but I’m not sure if they were allowed to do it. Anders
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>> Actually, everytime I’ve flown on the EWR-BOS shuttle on Continental, > I’ve always wound up on either an MD-80 or a 727-200. I’d certainly > prefer an MD-80 to a 737 or a F28 any day. > Why?
Because the MD-80 has substantially wider seats (20 inches v. 19 inches) than those standard to Boeing narrow bodies like the 727/737/757. Best,
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MS> Actually, everytime I’ve flown on the EWR-BOS shuttle on Continental, MS> I’ve always wound up on either an MD-80 or a 727-200. I’d certainly MS> prefer an MD-80 to a 737 or a F28 any day. sinan> Why? MS> Because the MD-80 has substantially wider seats (20 inches v. 19 MS> inches) than those standard to Boeing narrow bodies like the MS> 727/737/757. Are you like 5′0" or something? It’s *impossible* to stand up in the MD-80 unless you’re in the aisle! After the plane docks at the gate and all the passengers stand, you can hear many "owe!" sounds because of the passengers standing up and assuming the overhead is just as high as the 727/737. Gimme a Boeing plane any day –Helen — Kapor Enterprises, Inc. Flames to: I like: DL, WN, Boeing I don’t like: NW, HP, Airbus
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>> Airlines in the U.S. still fly those? Yikes! > Oh yeah…I didn’t include the F28, but then again, the F100 is kind of > a derivative of it. > F100 is a derivative of F28 as much as MD11 can be a derivative of DC-10 > or B-747 that of B727 etc..
Actually, your analogy between the relationships of the DC-10 with the MD-11 and that of the 747 and 727 is not particularly valid. The 747 is an entirely different plane from the 727 whereas the MD-11 is essentially a souped-up DC-10. Best, 331 1942 Hall, Butler College Tel/Fax: (609) 258-9449 Princeton University Princeton, NJ 08544-3005
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>> Oh yeah…I didn’t include the F28, but then again, the F100 is kind of > a derivative of it. > F100 is a derivative of F28 as much as MD11 can be a derivative of DC-10
Last time I checked, the MD11 was a derivative of the DC10. What is your definition of derivative? > or B-747 that of B727 etc..
I don’t see how anyone can call the B747 a B727 derivative. Can you clue us in? Besides, the F28 was discontinued as soon as the F100 was introduced, I think in 1986. The largest F28’s carried about 85 people. Do they not have the same cross-sectional structure, approximate engine location, T-tail, and so forth?
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: : > : : >THESE ARE USAIR’s most popular aircraft to use in the BOS-EWR runs : : >I am not impressed with them at all : : Not anymore. USAir is now using B737 on all BOS/EWR flights. : : I think they used to use a lot of F100. : SINCE WHEN?! I fly the EWR-BOS shuttle every 3 months : and I have been on F-28s and F-100s in every single one : for the last 3 years. USAirused both F’s and 737’s on the route since they started the "shuttle" a few years back. Better than flying CO’s 737-130.
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I can think of one good use for those F28-1000’s with 65 seats. If you take out a row of seats, then the plane is small enough to fly between Canada and the US wihthout the usual bi-laterial neg. that go on for bigger planes. Hello USeless air, you’re missing an opportunity here!! Toronto to Washington (DCA please, not IAD) needs a plane or two a day, without a stop in Boston. There must be quite a few city pairs that a small jet could clean up on. Just my $.02 Rob Robert d’Abadie, University of Waterloo, Canada
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> F100 is a derivative of F28 as much as MD11 can be a derivative of DC-10 > or B-747 that of B727 etc.. > regards. > sinan. > opinions are mine.
I would agree that the F100 is a derivative of the F28 as much as the MD-11 is a derivative of the DC-10. However, hopefully you meant to say that the B-747-400 was a derivative of the 747-200 and not that the 747 is a derivative of the 727. The F-28 and the F-100 share the same configuration, and fuselage diameter with upgraded cockpit, engines, and wing on the F-100. The 747 and 727 share the fact that they are both jet aircraft and are manufactured by Boeing but are not closely related in the way that the F28/100 and DC10/MD11 are. -Eric Bartsch
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>: F100’s are about the smallest commercial >: jets around, besides the 50-seat CRJ’s. But they are quite bigger than >: those props. Think of them as really short DC9’s. >Or rather: Long DC-9-10/20 series, or short 40/50 series. Hmmm, does that >make it about the same as a 30 series?
Airlines in the U.S. still fly those? Yikes! Oh yeah…I didn’t include the F28, but then again, the F100 is kind of a derivative of it.
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>: USAir is now using B737 on all BOS/EWR flights. >: I think they used to use a lot of F100. >SINCE WHEN?! I fly the EWR-BOS shuttle every 3 months >and I have been on F-28s and F-100s in every single one >for the last 3 years.
Don’t yell at me; I’m only going on what Eaasy Sabre says. It was news to me when I checked. Then again, I haven’t flown the route since March. I’m under the impression that as an alternative to fleet simplification, they’re reducing the number of types at each airport.
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>>: F100’s are about the smallest commercial >: jets around, besides the 50-seat CRJ’s. But they are quite bigger than >: those props. Think of them as really short DC9’s. >Or rather: Long DC-9-10/20 series, or short 40/50 series. Hmmm, does that >make it about the same as a 30 series? > Airlines in the U.S. still fly those? Yikes! > Oh yeah…I didn’t include the F28, but then again, the F100 is kind of > a derivative of it.
F100 is a derivative of F28 as much as MD11 can be a derivative of DC-10 or B-747 that of B727 etc.. regards. sinan. opinions are mine.
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sinan> F100 is a derivative of F28 as much as MD11 can be a derivative of sinan> DC-10 or B-747 that of B727 etc.. The second one you’ve got right. The MD-11 is a direct derivative of a DC-10. The Boeing 747, however, is *not* a derivative of the 727. They’re not even built in the same plant! (or, I should say, WERE built in the same plant, when the 727 was still being produced — it is not anymore, though the 747 is). The F28 and F100 have more familial similarities, in terms of being short-ish narrowbodies. The B727 is a short to medium-range narrowbody plane, while the B747 is a medium to long range widebody plane (there ain’t no confusin’ THIS plane with anything else). I don’t see how you could even compare. –Helen — Kapor Enterprises, Inc. Flames to: I like: DL, WN, Boeing I don’t like: NW, HP, Airbus
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > the Fokker 28 is a commercial aircraft. There are still some airlines > operating with F28’s. Stuff deleted > some Airlines operating the F28: > TAT European Airlines (France) > Palair Macedonian > Merpati, Garuda, … (Indonensia) > Seen with today’s view, they are uneconomic and loud. > bye
Does this mean that USAir has comlpetely replaced their F28’s with F100’s? Jeff
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: > : >THESE ARE USAIR’s most popular aircraft to use in the BOS-EWR runs : >I am not impressed with them at all : Not anymore. USAir is now using B737 on all BOS/EWR flights. : I think they used to use a lot of F100. SINCE WHEN?! I fly the EWR-BOS shuttle every 3 months and I have been on F-28s and F-100s in every single one for the last 3 years.
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Hi, the Fokker 28 is a commercial aircraft. There are still some airlines operating with F28’s. There are three important versions of the F28: F28-1000: 65 pax. F28-2000: 80-85 pax., stretched F28-1000 F28-4000: 80-85 pax., modified -2000 (e.g. two emergency exits above eatch wing) some Airlines operating the F28: TAT European Airlines (France) Palair Macedonian Merpati, Garuda, … (Indonensia) Seen with today’s view, they are uneconomic and loud. bye
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THESE ARE USAIR’s most popular aircraft to use in the BOS-EWR runs I am not impressed with them at all
: Hi, : the Fokker 28 is a commercial aircraft. There are still some airlines : operating with F28’s. : There are three important versions of the F28: : F28-1000: 65 pax. : F28-2000: 80-85 pax., stretched F28-1000 : F28-4000: 80-85 pax., modified -2000 (e.g. two emergency exits above : eatch wing) : some Airlines operating the F28: : TAT European Airlines (France) : Palair Macedonian : Merpati, Garuda, … (Indonensia) : Seen with today’s view, they are uneconomic and loud. : bye
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>THESE ARE USAIR’s most popular aircraft to use in the BOS-EWR runs >I am not impressed with them at all
Not anymore. USAir is now using B737 on all BOS/EWR flights. I think they used to use a lot of F100.
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> I just flew the F100(American) from DFW to Atlanta at the beginning of > April and I was very impressed by this small jet. It is amazingly > comfortable for it’s size and it is quieter than any of the new generation > aircrafts I’ve been in. I also got a quick cockpit tour at the gate and it > is very advanced with all glass cockpit instruments. I give this plane an > A+ and I hope to fly on it again on my next trip in May.
I beg to differ with you. I first flew the Fokker 100 from Raleigh to Nashville. It hardly has enough room to stand up straight in the cabin, I found it very noisy in the cabin, and the no flaps take-off was a surprise. I would prefer not to fly on one again, rather fly a MD-80. BMK
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: >How big (# of seats etc.) is the Fokker 100 flown by American Airlines? : >We will be flying one from O’Hare to Providence, Rhode Island. The reason : 97 seats, 8 of them in First. F100’s are about the smallest commercial : jets around, besides the 50-seat CRJ’s. But they are quite bigger than : those props. Think of them as really short DC9’s. Or rather: Long DC-9-10/20 series, or short 40/50 series. Hmmm, does that make it about the same as a 30 series? Oh man, I hate Sundays. Anders
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I just flew the F100(American) from DFW to Atlanta at the beginning of April and I was very impressed by this small jet. It is amazingly comfortable for it’s size and it is quieter than any of the new generation aircrafts I’ve been in. I also got a quick cockpit tour at the gate and it is very advanced with all glass cockpit instruments. I give this plane an A+ and I hope to fly on it again on my next trip in May.
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|> >> F100’s are about the smallest commercial |> >> jets around, besides the 50-seat CRJ’s. But they are quite bigger than |> >> those props. Think of them as really short DC9’s. |> > |> >Has the F70 not made it into production? I was under the impression that it |> >was meant to replace the older F28, which was a bit smaller than the 100. |> |> Nope. I believe they’re still awaiting type certification. The F70 is |> roughly 70% the size of the F100. They’re a couple of test models around, |> but that doesn’t make them commercial yet, does it? |> |> CRJ is ready to create a stretch version of the CRJ to compete versus the |> F70. Is F28 a commercial jetliner? Is it smaller than 100?
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>> F100’s are about the smallest commercial > jets around, besides the 50-seat CRJ’s. But they are quite bigger than > those props. Think of them as really short DC9’s. >Has the F70 not made it into production? I was under the impression that it >was meant to replace the older F28, which was a bit smaller than the 100.
Nope. I believe they’re still awaiting type certification. The F70 is roughly 70% the size of the F100. They’re a couple of test models around, but that doesn’t make them commercial yet, does it? CRJ is ready to create a stretch version of the CRJ to compete versus the F70.