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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>I once knew a guy who lived a few miles down the road from me. >>>He wanted to put up a huge satellite dish in his yard. The township >>>told him that he couldn’t — that it was an eyesore and zoning rules >>>prohibited it. He went to court on the basis that only the FCC has >>>authority to regulate antennas. He won. >>Can you provide citation of the court’s decision in this case? > I could imagine a zoning board that took the opposite tack, and >that worked from the assumption that the statement "Only the FCC has >the authority to regulate antennas." >That doesn’t answer the question – what is the cite for the court’s >action?
Here is the link that you are looking for – http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Factsheets/otafacts.html The bottom line is that congress got real sick and tired of complaints about home owner associations, zoning boards etc. running roughshod over peoples rights to receive "ALL" channels. There is also a second part to this situation. Congress also passed a bill, in the late 90s, that states in a plain and simple way that local authorities have no right to object to the placement of cell phone towers on federal property such as post offices, VA hospitals, military bases, and federal office buildings. It was an outgrowth of a running battle that Bell Atlantic, now Verizon, had with the Wash DC government over placing a tower in a national park located in DC. To reply via. E-Mail remove one H
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>Seriously, this sounds like a NIMBY if I ever heard one. Personally I >wouldn’t want to live that close to a tower of that nature.
How true, on both ends. *We* all want our cell phones to have good coverage. Yet *we* also don’t want the towers near us. BTW, how signif is it that it is near home than near office, a lot of folks spend almost as much time at the office than the home. My office building has a cellular array on it, yet ‘nobody’ seems to have ever expressed any opposition to it. And yet there are probably more people residing within 300 feet of it (urban location), than there are within 300 feet of a suburban location, but suburban owners are more snotty about it. Oh well. -v.
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Do you use a cell phone? If so, you are getting many times more radiation than that tower will give. Bill Hale : We have a neighbor who plans to have a cellular tower installed on his : property. The property is pretty big. The tower could be about 200 to 300 feet
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>Seriously, this sounds like a NIMBY if I ever heard one. Personally I >wouldn’t want to live that close to a tower of that nature. > How true, on both ends. *We* all want our cell phones to have good > coverage. Yet *we* also don’t want the towers near us.
True. >BTW, how > signif is it that it is near home than near office, a lot of folks > spend almost as much time at the office than the home. My office > building has a cellular array on it, yet ‘nobody’ seems to have ever > expressed any opposition to it.
You better start getting cancer screenings on a regular basis then. >And yet there are probably more > people residing within 300 feet of it (urban location), than there are > within 300 feet of a suburban location, but suburban owners are more > snotty about it.
Perhaps if the companies that build/run these towers had to shell out some $$$ to provide shielding to the residences/businesses and pay for cancer treatment they wouldn’t be so glib about dotting them all over the countryside. As for being snotty, well thats one POV. IMHO we have enough crap around us to cause cancer without adding to the list. > Oh well.
Indeed.
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> Do you use a cell phone? If so, you are getting many times more > radiation than that tower will give. > Bill Hale
Yes, and add the fact that you live in an electrical wire cage that radiates pretty hefty electromagnetic fields each time an appliance is turned on, have no electrical wiring in your bedroom wall behind the headboard, that will really fry your brain. The monitor in front of you as your’e reading this radiates more than any cell phone. Everytime you start your car, you get irradiated by the electromagnetic radiation from the electronics in the dashboard. Couldn’t resist, but this cellphone thing is so minor in the scheme of things….. Lukas Louw
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Do you use a cell phone? If so, you are getting many times more > radiation than that tower will give. > Bill Hale > Yes, and add the fact that you live in an electrical wire cage that radiates > pretty hefty electromagnetic fields each time an appliance is turned on, > have no electrical wiring in your bedroom wall behind the headboard, that > will really fry your brain. The monitor in front of you as your’e reading > this radiates more than any cell phone. Everytime you start your car, you > get irradiated by the electromagnetic radiation from the electronics in the > dashboard. > Couldn’t resist, but this cellphone thing is so minor in the scheme of > things…..
I’m sorry you couldn’t resist exaggerating the laws of physics in order to make your rhetorical point. Bill’s comment is legitimate. Your comments are nonsense. Don — To reply by email, delete the antonym for walk.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Do you use a cell phone? If so, you are getting many times more > > radiation than that tower will give. > > Bill Hale > Yes, and add the fact that you live in an electrical wire cage that > radiates pretty hefty electromagnetic fields each time an appliance is > check that you have no electrical wiring in your bedroom wall behind the > headboard, that will really fry your brain. The monitor in front of you > as your’e reading this radiates more than any cell phone. Everytime you > start your car, you get irradiated by the electromagnetic radiation from > the electronics in the dashboard. > Couldn’t resist, but this cellphone thing is so minor in the scheme of > things….. > I’m sorry you couldn’t resist exaggerating the laws of physics in order > to make your rhetorical point. > Bill’s comment is legitimate. Your comments are nonsense. > Don
Cell towers have a max power out of less than 200 Watts.. TV stations are 100,000 Watts or more… go after them! -Dan
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> > things….. > I’m sorry you couldn’t resist exaggerating the laws of physics in order > to make your rhetorical point. > Bill’s comment is legitimate. Your comments are nonsense. > Don > —
Prove that the radiation from cell phones can be dangerous – no one has done that to date…… Lukas
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> We have a neighbor who plans to have a cellular tower installed on his > property. The property is pretty big. The tower could be about 200 to 300 feet > from our house. I would like to know if there are any radiation risks to the > health from such a device. Where can I find more information about health risks > from celluar phone towers? > I would like here about any experiences. > Thank you. > — > Subba Rao
Good question. I have a high rise apartment building about 1,500 feet from my house — with about 30-40 paging, two-way, cellular, microwave repeaters on the roof. I wonder about this, too. I do know that one of the paging transmitters (VHF) knocks out the NWS weather alert broadcasts at my location. (ken)
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> Prove that the radiation from cell phones can be dangerous – no one has done > that to date…… > Lukas
I don’t have to, I just said Bill’s comment about the proximity effect was legit. and your comments are nonsense. You said > Yes, and add the fact that you live in an electrical wire cage that radiates > pretty hefty electromagnetic fields each time an appliance is turned on,
That’s nonsense. Hefty fields? Hardly! Also check that you > have no electrical wiring in your bedroom wall behind the headboard, that > will really fry your brain.
That’s nonsensical hyperbole too. > The monitor in front of you as your’e reading > this radiates more than any cell phone.
That’s nonsense too. Everytime you start your car, you > get irradiated by the electromagnetic radiation from the electronics in the > dashboard.
That’s a nonsensical issue too. Don — To reply by email, delete the antonym for walk.
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> I do >know that one of the paging transmitters (VHF) knocks out >the NWS weather alert broadcasts at my location.
That’s the fault of your receiver’s cheap RF front end design. SteveR
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alt.cellular: >I do >know that one of the paging transmitters (VHF) knocks out >the NWS weather alert broadcasts at my location.
Which is also on VHF, and your receiver makes barn doors look narrow. Weather receivers aren’t designed to be used in the vicinity of transmitters. — Al – rukbat at optonline dot net
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> alt.cellular: >I do >know that one of the paging transmitters (VHF) knocks out >the NWS weather alert broadcasts at my location. > Which is also on VHF, and your receiver makes barn doors look narrow. > Weather receivers aren’t designed to be used in the vicinity of > transmitters. > — > Al – rukbat at optonline dot net
Bingo! Our human bodies MAY be too close to those barn doors too! (ken)
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> We have a neighbor who plans to have a cellular tower installed on his > property. The property is pretty big. The tower could be about 200 to 300 feet > from our house. I would like to know if there are any radiation risks to the > health from such a device. Where can I find more information about health risks > from celluar phone towers? > I would like here about any experiences. > Thank you.
First, I would not worry about the "radiation" from this tower. People, in a variety of professions, have been exposed to much higher levels of RF radiation for very very long periods of time without any observable health effects. Consider broadcast transmitter technicians, 2-way technicians, Emergency services personel and RF design engineers. Consider that high power radio transmitters have been in operation since the early 1900’s. At this time there are no known health risks fron RF exposure other then burns from very very high levels. This is true, despite the fact that government regulations limiting RF exposure levels werwe enacted only about 15 years ago. As to your particular case. You probably cannot fight this tower based on RF levels. The government has establish well researched safe RF levels. Unless this transmitting facility exceeds these, you do not have a case. Your can fight it based on local zoning or safety. If this tower could fall on your property, then there is a real safety issue. There may be other zoning regulations that prohibit this structure. You must remember that our society depends upon cellular telephones. We cannot have phones without these towers somewhere.
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KCTom> As to your particular case. You probably cannot fight this tower based KCTom> on RF levels. The government has establish well researched safe RF KCTom> levels. Unless this transmitting facility exceeds these, you do not KCTom> have a case. KCTom> Your can fight it based on local zoning or safety. If this tower could KCTom> fall on your property, then there is a real safety issue. There may be KCTom> other zoning regulations that prohibit this structure. Well, maybe. I once knew a guy who lived a few miles down the road from me. He wanted to put up a huge satellite dish in his yard. The township told him that he couldn’t — that it was an eyesore and zoning rules prohibited it. He went to court on the basis that only the FCC has authority to regulate antennas. He won. —
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I once knew a guy who lived a few miles down the road from me. >He wanted to put up a huge satellite dish in his yard. The township >told him that he couldn’t — that it was an eyesore and zoning rules >prohibited it. He went to court on the basis that only the FCC has >authority to regulate antennas. He won. >Can you provide citation of the court’s decision in this case? >The FCC had to have legislation and issue a rule implementing the >legislation in order to preempt local laws (zoning) in order to >authorize the installation of small satellite dishes ONLY (less than a >meter for residential service, two meters for commercial use!).
Local interpretations of antenna issues seem to vary all over the place. One FCC Declaratory Ruling near and dear to Amateur Radio operators is PRB-1, in which the FCC basically says that amateur radio antennas can’t be summarily banned – that towns/etc must make reasonable accomodations for them. That doesn’t stop them from being summarily banned, anyhow. Sometimes the amateur does win after spending lots of time and money to get the zoning board to actually read what the FCC has to say. I could imagine a zoning board that took the opposite tack, and that worked from the assumption that the statement "Only the FCC has the authority to regulate antennas." – Rich
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OK I’m going for the sarcastic reply here. Line your walls in lead and wear a lead apron ;o) Seriously, this sounds like a NIMBY if I ever heard one. Personally I wouldn’t want to live that close to a tower of that nature. If you can stop it being built or move before it is built then do so, its too late when you have cancer or your kids have cancer.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We have a neighbor who plans to have a cellular tower installed on his > property. The property is pretty big. The tower could be about 200 to 300 feet > from our house. I would like to know if there are any radiation risks to the > health from such a device. Where can I find more information about health risks > from celluar phone towers? > I would like here about any experiences. > Thank you. > — > Subba Rao
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> We have a neighbor who plans to have a cellular tower installed on his > property. The property is pretty big. The tower could be about 200 to 300 feet > from our house. I would like to know if there are any radiation risks to the > health from such a device. Where can I find more information about health risks > from celluar phone towers? > I would like here about any experiences. > Thank you. > — > Subba Rao
You should be more worried about the tower falling onto your property – or into the roadway! (ken)
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> We have a neighbor who plans to have a cellular tower installed on his > property. The property is pretty big. The tower could be about 200 to 300 feet > from our house. I would like to know if there are any radiation risks to the > health from such a device. Where can I find more information about health risks > from celluar phone towers?
At that distance any radiation risks should be disipated. The bigger risk is to yoiur property value and having to look at these ugly things. If it were me I’d check the zoning laws to see if your neighbor could do that. jw
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >: We have a neighbor who plans to have a cellular tower installed on his >: property. The property is pretty big. The tower could be about 200 to 300 feet >: from our house. I would like to know if there are any radiation risks to the >: health from such a device. Where can I find more information about health risks >: from celluar phone towers? >First of all you need to find out if there really is going to be a tower. Some >companies are locking in sites for future towers that may never get built. They >get the landowner to sign a open ended lease that gives them the right to come >in any time they want and build a tower and then they never build it. Some things >to watch out for: >1) No signing bonus. The only money they actually pay is rent and that only starts > AFTER they build the tower and start using it. >2) Fixed rent payments. The rent will be spelled out as a fixed amount with no adjustment > for inflation. It may even be capped. Some contracts I have heard of will pay > $10,000 per year but are capped at 20 years. You get $200,000 and they get use > of your land FOREVER. Utility companies understand inflation and long term > planning. $10,000 a year sounds like a good deal today. Back in the 1600’s > $24 sounded like a good deal for manhatten. >3) One way terms. You grant them all the easements and access they want or might want > in the future. They saddle you with a lot of restrictions. >Do spend the money to have a good business lawyer review the contract. >John Eaton
Ummm – you might want to spend the money to have someone read these messages to you for comprehension – this poster was looking for information about how his neighbor’s actions might adversly affect him – not for advice on negotiating favorable lease terms for himself.
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> We have a neighbor who plans to have a cellular tower installed on his > property. The property is pretty big. The tower could be about 200 to 300 feet > from our house. I would like to know if there are any radiation risks to the > health from such a device. Where can I find more information about health risks > from celluar phone towers? > I would like here about any experiences.
Go to google and search for cell tower radiation and you will find all sorts of experiences. Credibility is another matter. Basically the industry says the only proven danger is from thermal heating, and the opponents say some studies have indicated that even very low levels may cause all sorts of problems. Don —
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>Basically the industry says the only proven danger is from thermal >heating, and the opponents say some studies have indicated that even >very low levels may cause all sorts of problems.
One thing I’ve noticed is that the car’s remote keyless entry thingie doesn’t work in the area of a cell tower.
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: We have a neighbor who plans to have a cellular tower installed on his : property. The property is pretty big. The tower could be about 200 to 300 feet : from our house. I would like to know if there are any radiation risks to the : health from such a device. Where can I find more information about health risks : from celluar phone towers? First of all you need to find out if there really is going to be a tower. Some companies are locking in sites for future towers that may never get built. They get the landowner to sign a open ended lease that gives them the right to come in any time they want and build a tower and then they never build it. Some things to watch out for: 1) No signing bonus. The only money they actually pay is rent and that only starts AFTER they build the tower and start using it. 2) Fixed rent payments. The rent will be spelled out as a fixed amount with no adjustment for inflation. It may even be capped. Some contracts I have heard of will pay $10,000 per year but are capped at 20 years. You get $200,000 and they get use of your land FOREVER. Utility companies understand inflation and long term planning. $10,000 a year sounds like a good deal today. Back in the 1600’s $24 sounded like a good deal for manhatten. 3) One way terms. You grant them all the easements and access they want or might want in the future. They saddle you with a lot of restrictions. Do spend the money to have a good business lawyer review the contract. John Eaton
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We have a neighbor who plans to have a cellular tower installed on his property. The property is pretty big. The tower could be about 200 to 300 feet from our house. I would like to know if there are any radiation risks to the health from such a device. Where can I find more information about health risks from celluar phone towers? I would like here about any experiences. Thank you. — Subba Rao