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buying a new lexus for parents as a gift (they are 3000 miles away), need advice
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> Alright Mike, > You need to be banned from the Lexus boards, you are making me > jealous!!! The Lincoln’s are nice cars, so are the Caddy’s. It is > good to see your creative approach to auto buying.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You are entitled to you opinion but I have owned both. I owned TWO > Lexus V8’s, the second costing a lot more than the first. When I went to > buy the third in 1999 the price had gone way up again. I ended up > buying a 2000 Lincoln LS V8 that was every bit as good as my Lexus, and > I also bought a 1999 Mustang GT convertible. Both for the price of > another Lexus!! I now have a 2001 Mustang GT convertible and a 2002 > Lincoln LS V8 and I am more than please with the money I saved and I > have a sporty car to drive as well. But hey, its your money spend it > were you will, but why run down a vehicle you have never owed based on a > perception.
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Ahm… try changing your oil once in a while… retard :)) Girls there this little thingy under your steering wheels… if you pul it you will hear a cick and then a hood can be opened. Then you find another thingy sticking out of your engine block… pul it out. If you see sludge on it, it means your engine oil thingy need to go bye bye and new oil thingy needs to be put in. There… Feel mucg better? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Before you buy the LEXUS….perhaps you want to consider the issue of ENGINE >OIL SLUDGE in the LEXUS 1997-2001 models. Realize, of course, there have >been no changes to the new RX300 or ES300 models which are among the >affected vehicles. Just a thought….. >http://cgi.latimes.com/class/highway1/yourwheels/20020313/t000018575…. >http://www.wusatv9.com/consumer/consumer_article.asp?storyid=4725 >http://www.cdapress.com/story.asp?str=5261 >http://www.autonews.com/news.cms?newsId=1534 >http://www.autonews.com/column.cms?columnId=8 >http://www.thecomplaintstation.com/cgi-bin/frames.cgi?topic514 >http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB1014926282588675480,00.html >http://www.kmov.com/business/business_stories/NEWS_020219_toyota_engi… >l >http://www.labbb.org/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/C%3A/Inetpu… >ot/SouthlandReport/default.htm?hCompID=13022092&hAKAID=2&hAddrID=1 ><http://www.labbb.org/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/C%3A/Inetpu… >oot/SouthlandReport/default.htm?hCompID=13022092&hAKAID=2&hAddrID= 1> >http://www.toyota.com/html/about/news/archive/press_release/product/d… >2/20020208_spa.jsp >http://consumeraffairs.com/newsletters/021102.html >http://www.msnusers.com/ToyotaOwnersUniteforResolution >Here is the group URL: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/toyotasludge/ >However, visiting the site is not necessary to join. All >that needs done is send an email to the ‘Subscribe’ >address listed below. >http://www.cartrackers.com/Forums/live/Toyota/ >http://www.cartrackers.com/Forums/live/MiniVansEnthusiastDiscussionGr… >http://www.cartrackers.com/Forums/live/YourLemon/ >http://www.cartrackers.com/Forums/live/Gremlins/ >http://philip.greenspun.com/materialism/cars/sienna >http://www.aera.org/Techside/engineoilanalyse.htm >http://www.aera.org/Techside/enginesludge.htm >http://www.aera.org/Techside/positivecrankcaseventilation.htm >http://www.aera.org/Techside/somelikeithot.htm >http://www.aera.org/Techside/basicsabouthydrauliclifters.htm >http://www.aera.org/dbWeb/BulMakeModRes.asp >U.S. Department of Transportation http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov >http://www.ftc.gov >National Highway Traffic Safety Administration 1-800-424-9393 >Office of Defects Investigations 1-888-327-4236 >NSA-10.01 >400 7th Street, SW >Washington, D.C. 20590 >Center for Auto Safety http://www.autosafety.org >1825 Connecticut Ave., NW >Suite 330 >Washington, D.C. 20009-5708 >Phil Edmonston’s Lemon-Aid Car Guides http://www.lemonaidcars.com >CarTrackers Discussion Forum http://www.cartrackers.com >Consumers for Auto Reliability and Safety http://carconsumers.com >Sienna Message Board >http://www.philip/greenspun.com/materialism/cars/sienna.html >Toyota Owners Unite for Resolution >http://communities.msn.com/ToyotaOwnersUniteforResolution >Consumer Affairs http://www.consumeraffairs.com >Chrysler Products’ Problem Web Page (resources) >http://www.wam.umd.edu/~gluckman/Chrysler >Ford Windstar Faulty Engine Head Gasket >http://home.att.net/~ccatanese/ford >Ford Automatic Transmission Victims http://me! >mbers.aol.com/MKBradley/index.html >The Minivan Magazine http://forums.vmag.com/mvsienna1199 >The Auto Channel http://www.theautochannel.com >Alldata Service Bulletins http://www.alldata.com/consumer/TSB/yr.html >Carlounge Bulletin Board http://carlounge.com >USENET Newsgroup–Toyota alt.autos.toyota; alt.autos.toyota.camry > Charlene Blake > Let me understand this. > Ford = Lexus > NOT >> Before you buy a Lexus V6, take a look at the Lincoln LS V8 and save >> yourself $10,000. >> > Don’t count on having a lot of room to negotiate in the NYC area. I’ve >> > heard that many of the Lexus dealers around here know the car’s in > demand >> > and won’t budge from List. >> > Larry >> > > I have plans to purchase a new 2002 ES300 for my parents in the next >> > > couple of months (my parents desperately need a new car but would >> > > never get one on their own). I live on the west coast, they live on >> > > the east coast and I don’t have time in the near future to pay them a >> > > visit. Ideally I would like to find a dealer in New York, choose the >> > > vehicle with its options, negotiate the price and pay for it, and >> > > allow my parents to simply go pick it the car at the dealer and have >> > > the dealer familiarize them with the vehicle before they drive it >> > > away. >> > > The problem with doing this, is that I take the risk of purchasing a >> > > vehicle without actually seeing the actual car or taking it for a test >> > > drive. I assume that with a new Lexus, this shouldnt be a big concern >> > > of mine. I also haven’t yet figured out how to negotiate a decent >> > > price on the car, by doing it from 3000 miles away, rather than >> > > haggling with the dealer in person (not looking for a steal, just a >> > > good price). So to anyone out there who has ever bought a car for >> > > someone this way, I would appreciate some advice. Thanks
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Alright Mike, You need to be banned from the Lexus boards, you are making me jealous!!! The Lincoln’s are nice cars, so are the Caddy’s. It is good to see your creative approach to auto buying. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > You are entitled to you opinion but I have owned both. I owned TWO > Lexus V8’s, the second costing a lot more than the first. When I went to > buy the third in 1999 the price had gone way up again. I ended up > buying a 2000 Lincoln LS V8 that was every bit as good as my Lexus, and > I also bought a 1999 Mustang GT convertible. Both for the price of > another Lexus!! I now have a 2001 Mustang GT convertible and a 2002 > Lincoln LS V8 and I am more than please with the money I saved and I > have a sporty car to drive as well. But hey, its your money spend it > were you will, but why run down a vehicle you have never owed based on a > perception.
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Before you buy the LEXUS….perhaps you want to consider the issue of ENGINE OIL SLUDGE in the LEXUS 1997-2001 models. Realize, of course, there have been no changes to the new RX300 or ES300 models which are among the affected vehicles. Just a thought….. http://cgi.latimes.com/class/highway1/yourwheels/20020313/t000018575…. http://www.wusatv9.com/consumer/consumer_article.asp?storyid=4725 http://www.cdapress.com/story.asp?str=5261 http://www.autonews.com/news.cms?newsId=1534 http://www.autonews.com/column.cms?columnId=8 http://www.thecomplaintstation.com/cgi-bin/frames.cgi?topic514 http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB1014926282588675480,00.html http://www.kmov.com/business/business_stories/NEWS_020219_toyota_engi… l http://www.labbb.org/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/C%3A/Inetpu… ot/SouthlandReport/default.htm?hCompID=13022092&hAKAID=2&hAddrID=1 <http://www.labbb.org/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/C%3A/Inetpu… oot/SouthlandReport/default.htm?hCompID=13022092&hAKAID=2&hAddrID=1 > http://www.toyota.com/html/about/news/archive/press_release/product/d… 2/20020208_spa.jsp http://consumeraffairs.com/newsletters/021102.html http://www.msnusers.com/ToyotaOwnersUniteforResolution Here is the group URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/toyotasludge/ However, visiting the site is not necessary to join. All that needs done is send an email to the ‘Subscribe’ address listed below. http://www.cartrackers.com/Forums/live/Toyota/ http://www.cartrackers.com/Forums/live/MiniVansEnthusiastDiscussionGr… http://www.cartrackers.com/Forums/live/YourLemon/ http://www.cartrackers.com/Forums/live/Gremlins/ http://philip.greenspun.com/materialism/cars/sienna http://www.aera.org/Techside/engineoilanalyse.htm http://www.aera.org/Techside/enginesludge.htm http://www.aera.org/Techside/positivecrankcaseventilation.htm http://www.aera.org/Techside/somelikeithot.htm http://www.aera.org/Techside/basicsabouthydrauliclifters.htm http://www.aera.org/dbWeb/BulMakeModRes.asp U.S. Department of Transportation http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov http://www.ftc.gov National Highway Traffic Safety Administration 1-800-424-9393 Office of Defects Investigations 1-888-327-4236 NSA-10.01 400 7th Street, SW Washington, D.C. 20590 Center for Auto Safety http://www.autosafety.org 1825 Connecticut Ave., NW Suite 330 Washington, D.C. 20009-5708 Phil Edmonston’s Lemon-Aid Car Guides http://www.lemonaidcars.com CarTrackers Discussion Forum http://www.cartrackers.com Consumers for Auto Reliability and Safety http://carconsumers.com Sienna Message Board http://www.philip/greenspun.com/materialism/cars/sienna.html Toyota Owners Unite for Resolution http://communities.msn.com/ToyotaOwnersUniteforResolution Consumer Affairs http://www.consumeraffairs.com Chrysler Products’ Problem Web Page (resources) http://www.wam.umd.edu/~gluckman/Chrysler Ford Windstar Faulty Engine Head Gasket http://home.att.net/~ccatanese/ford Ford Automatic Transmission Victims http://me! mbers.aol.com/MKBradley/index.html The Minivan Magazine http://forums.vmag.com/mvsienna1199 The Auto Channel http://www.theautochannel.com Alldata Service Bulletins http://www.alldata.com/consumer/TSB/yr.html Carlounge Bulletin Board http://carlounge.com USENET Newsgroup–Toyota alt.autos.toyota; alt.autos.toyota.camry Charlene Blake – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Let me understand this. > Ford = Lexus > NOT > Before you buy a Lexus V6, take a look at the Lincoln LS V8 and save > yourself $10,000. > > Don’t count on having a lot of room to negotiate in the NYC area. I’ve > > heard that many of the Lexus dealers around here know the car’s in > demand > > and won’t budge from List. > > Larry > > > I have plans to purchase a new 2002 ES300 for my parents in the next > > > couple of months (my parents desperately need a new car but would > > > never get one on their own). I live on the west coast, they live on > > > the east coast and I don’t have time in the near future to pay them a > > > visit. Ideally I would like to find a dealer in New York, choose the > > > vehicle with its options, negotiate the price and pay for it, and > > > allow my parents to simply go pick it the car at the dealer and have > > > the dealer familiarize them with the vehicle before they drive it > > > away. > > > The problem with doing this, is that I take the risk of purchasing a > > > vehicle without actually seeing the actual car or taking it for a test > > > drive. I assume that with a new Lexus, this shouldnt be a big concern > > > of mine. I also haven’t yet figured out how to negotiate a decent > > > price on the car, by doing it from 3000 miles away, rather than > > > haggling with the dealer in person (not looking for a steal, just a > > > good price). So to anyone out there who has ever bought a car for > > > someone this way, I would appreciate some advice. Thanks
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> I bet you don’t live in a city and ride in a taxi very often or take > note of all those police cars, do you. You can’t possibly live in > Florida or you would have noticed that the number one selling car for > over ten year has been the Grand Marquis, brother to the CV. LOL
I have a friend who’s a detective and indeed he’s very familiar with the Crown Vic. I asked him how he likes it and "POS" was his answer. John — We may see the small value God has for riches by the people he gives them to. –Alexander Pope
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I agree the two Lexus V8’s I owed were better overall vehicles than my Lincoln LS, but no way were they 10K better let alone 25K better. That is why I am sticking with the Lincoln LS. A vehicle that costs as much as a Lexus SHOULD be better than one that cost 25K less, don’t you think? mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Could not agree more on this statement, Drove a Lincoln LS v8 before I took > my 96 LS for a ride, dont get me wrong the Lincoln was nice, but, not in the > same ball park as the LS. I personly would never own another car besides a > LS, after owning one…..Cant wait till I can afford the 430….. > Ford=POS > Had one a few years ago, Nothing but problems from the day I owned > it….Would never drive a ford again… > — > -Dave > Dave "at’ AnyWhereCool ‘Dot" com > ICQ: 10640235 / AIM: DavidinRI > http://www.AnyWhereCool.com > Let me understand this. > Ford = Lexus > NOT > > Before you buy a Lexus V6, take a look at the Lincoln LS V8 and save > > yourself $10,000. > > > Don’t count on having a lot of room to negotiate in the NYC area. I’ve > > > heard that many of the Lexus dealers around here know the car’s in > demand > > > and won’t budge from List. > > > Larry > > > > I have plans to purchase a new 2002 ES300 for my parents in the next > > > > couple of months (my parents desperately need a new car but would > > > > never get one on their own). I live on the west coast, they live on > > > > the east coast and I don’t have time in the near future to pay them > a > > > > visit. Ideally I would like to find a dealer in New York, choose the > > > > vehicle with its options, negotiate the price and pay for it, and > > > > allow my parents to simply go pick it the car at the dealer and have > > > > the dealer familiarize them with the vehicle before they drive it > > > > away. > > > > The problem with doing this, is that I take the risk of purchasing a > > > > vehicle without actually seeing the actual car or taking it for a > test > > > > drive. I assume that with a new Lexus, this shouldnt be a big > concern > > > > of mine. I also haven’t yet figured out how to negotiate a decent > > > > price on the car, by doing it from 3000 miles away, rather than > > > > haggling with the dealer in person (not looking for a steal, just a > > > > good price). So to anyone out there who has ever bought a car for > > > > someone this way, I would appreciate some advice. Thanks
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And Florida is full of people who can appreciate great driving automobiles.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I bet you don’t live in a city and ride in a taxi very often or take > note of all those police cars, do you. You can’t possibly live in > Florida or you would have noticed that the number one selling car for > over ten year has been the Grand Marquis, brother to the CV. LOL > mike hunt > The only reason the Crown Vic is still in production is Hertz. Nobody in > their right mind would ever buy a Crown Vic. Driven one recently? Oh, > that’s right doesn’t Ford own Hertz?. > > The Camry cost 20% more than a Taurus, its nearest Ford competitor in > > size when similarly equipped with the V6. Its Ford competitor, on price, > > is the Crown Vic with a V8 and it is a much better car than the Camry so > > what is your point?
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The cops here drive the Crown Vic.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The only reason the Crown Vic is still in production is Hertz. Nobody in > their right mind would ever buy a Crown Vic. Driven one recently? Oh, > that’s right doesn’t Ford own Hertz?. > The Camry cost 20% more than a Taurus, its nearest Ford competitor in > size when similarly equipped with the V6. Its Ford competitor, on price, > is the Crown Vic with a V8 and it is a much better car than the Camry so > what is your point?
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Could not agree more on this statement, Drove a Lincoln LS v8 before I took my 96 LS for a ride, dont get me wrong the Lincoln was nice, but, not in the same ball park as the LS. I personly would never own another car besides a LS, after owning one…..Cant wait till I can afford the 430….. Ford=POS Had one a few years ago, Nothing but problems from the day I owned it….Would never drive a ford again… — -Dave Dave "at’ AnyWhereCool ‘Dot" com ICQ: 10640235 / AIM: DavidinRI http://www.AnyWhereCool.com
> Let me understand this. > Ford = Lexus > NOT
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Before you buy a Lexus V6, take a look at the Lincoln LS V8 and save > yourself $10,000. > > Don’t count on having a lot of room to negotiate in the NYC area. I’ve > > heard that many of the Lexus dealers around here know the car’s in > demand > > and won’t budge from List. > > Larry > > > I have plans to purchase a new 2002 ES300 for my parents in the next > > > couple of months (my parents desperately need a new car but would > > > never get one on their own). I live on the west coast, they live on > > > the east coast and I don’t have time in the near future to pay them a > > > visit. Ideally I would like to find a dealer in New York, choose the > > > vehicle with its options, negotiate the price and pay for it, and > > > allow my parents to simply go pick it the car at the dealer and have > > > the dealer familiarize them with the vehicle before they drive it > > > away. > > > The problem with doing this, is that I take the risk of purchasing a > > > vehicle without actually seeing the actual car or taking it for a test > > > drive. I assume that with a new Lexus, this shouldnt be a big concern > > > of mine. I also haven’t yet figured out how to negotiate a decent > > > price on the car, by doing it from 3000 miles away, rather than > > > haggling with the dealer in person (not looking for a steal, just a > > > good price). So to anyone out there who has ever bought a car for > > > someone this way, I would appreciate some advice. Thanks
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The Camry cost 20% more than a Taurus, its nearest Ford competitor in size when similarly equipped with the V6. Its Ford competitor, on price, is the Crown Vic with a V8 and it is a much better car than the Camry so what is your point? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Isn’t the new ES300 just a new Toyota Camry with leather and …… a bent > L? > top start of with, Camry is more of a car then any ford product…but then > the ES is more refined versin of the camry… > -d
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I thing the Lexus LS V8 is a GREAT vehicle, but it has become way overpriced that’s why I traded mine on a Lincoln LS V8, another GREAT vehicle but 25K less expensive.. mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I think it is. That’s why I drive an LS. > Isn’t the new ES300 just a new Toyota Camry with leather and …… a bent > L?
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The only reason the Crown Vic is still in production is Hertz. Nobody in their right mind would ever buy a Crown Vic. Driven one recently? Oh, that’s right doesn’t Ford own Hertz?.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The Camry cost 20% more than a Taurus, its nearest Ford competitor in > size when similarly equipped with the V6. Its Ford competitor, on price, > is the Crown Vic with a V8 and it is a much better car than the Camry so > what is your point?
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I bet you don’t live in a city and ride in a taxi very often or take note of all those police cars, do you. You can’t possibly live in Florida or you would have noticed that the number one selling car for over ten year has been the Grand Marquis, brother to the CV. LOL mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The only reason the Crown Vic is still in production is Hertz. Nobody in > their right mind would ever buy a Crown Vic. Driven one recently? Oh, > that’s right doesn’t Ford own Hertz?. > The Camry cost 20% more than a Taurus, its nearest Ford competitor in > size when similarly equipped with the V6. Its Ford competitor, on price, > is the Crown Vic with a V8 and it is a much better car than the Camry so > what is your point?
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I think it is. That’s why I drive an LS.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Isn’t the new ES300 just a new Toyota Camry with leather and …… a bent > L? > Isn’t the new Lincoln just a Ford Tempo with V8 and Leather? > > You are entitled to you opinion but I have owned both. I owned TWO > > Lexus V8’s, the second costing a lot more than the first. When I went to > > buy the third in 1999 the price had gone way up again. I ended up > > buying a 2000 Lincoln LS V8 that was every bit as good as my Lexus, and > > I also bought a 1999 Mustang GT convertible. Both for the price of > > another Lexus!! I now have a 2001 Mustang GT convertible and a 2002 > > Lincoln LS V8 and I am more than please with the money I saved and I > > have a sporty car to drive as well. But hey, its your money spend it > > were you will, but why run down a vehicle you have never owed based on a > > perception. > > > Let me understand this. > > > Ford = Lexus > > > NOT > > > > Before you buy a Lexus V6, take a look at the Lincoln LS V8 and save > > > > yourself $10,000. > > > > > Don’t count on having a lot of room to negotiate in the NYC area. > I’ve > > > > > heard that many of the Lexus dealers around here know the car’s in > > > demand > > > > > and won’t budge from List. > > > > > Larry > > > > > > I have plans to purchase a new 2002 ES300 for my parents in the > next > > > > > > couple of months (my parents desperately need a new car but > would > > > > > > never get one on their own). I live on the west coast, they live > on > > > > > > the east coast and I don’t have time in the near future to pay > them a > > > > > > visit. Ideally I would like to find a dealer in New York, choose > the > > > > > > vehicle with its options, negotiate the price and pay for it, > and > > > > > > allow my parents to simply go pick it the car at the dealer and > have > > > > > > the dealer familiarize them with the vehicle before they drive > it > > > > > > away. > > > > > > The problem with doing this, is that I take the risk of > purchasing > a > > > > > > vehicle without actually seeing the actual car or taking it for > a > test > > > > > > drive. I assume that with a new Lexus, this shouldnt be a big > concern > > > > > > of mine. I also haven’t yet figured out how to negotiate a > decent > > > > > > price on the car, by doing it from 3000 miles away, rather than > > > > > > haggling with the dealer in person (not looking for a steal, > just > a > > > > > > good price). So to anyone out there who has ever bought a car > for > > > > > > someone this way, I would appreciate some advice. Thanks
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> Isn’t the new ES300 just a new Toyota Camry with leather and …… a bent > L?
top start of with, Camry is more of a car then any ford product…but then the ES is more refined versin of the camry… -d – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Isn’t the new Lincoln just a Ford Tempo with V8 and Leather? > > You are entitled to you opinion but I have owned both. I owned TWO > > Lexus V8’s, the second costing a lot more than the first. When I went to > > buy the third in 1999 the price had gone way up again. I ended up > > buying a 2000 Lincoln LS V8 that was every bit as good as my Lexus, and > > I also bought a 1999 Mustang GT convertible. Both for the price of > > another Lexus!! I now have a 2001 Mustang GT convertible and a 2002 > > Lincoln LS V8 and I am more than please with the money I saved and I > > have a sporty car to drive as well. But hey, its your money spend it > > were you will, but why run down a vehicle you have never owed based on a > > perception. > > > Let me understand this. > > > Ford = Lexus > > > NOT > > > > Before you buy a Lexus V6, take a look at the Lincoln LS V8 and save > > > > yourself $10,000. > > > > > Don’t count on having a lot of room to negotiate in the NYC area. > I’ve > > > > > heard that many of the Lexus dealers around here know the car’s in > > > demand > > > > > and won’t budge from List. > > > > > Larry > > > > > > I have plans to purchase a new 2002 ES300 for my parents in the > next > > > > > > couple of months (my parents desperately need a new car but > would > > > > > > never get one on their own). I live on the west coast, they live > on > > > > > > the east coast and I don’t have time in the near future to pay > them a > > > > > > visit. Ideally I would like to find a dealer in New York, choose > the > > > > > > vehicle with its options, negotiate the price and pay for it, > and > > > > > > allow my parents to simply go pick it the car at the dealer and > have > > > > > > the dealer familiarize them with the vehicle before they drive > it > > > > > > away. > > > > > > The problem with doing this, is that I take the risk of > purchasing > a > > > > > > vehicle without actually seeing the actual car or taking it for > a > test > > > > > > drive. I assume that with a new Lexus, this shouldnt be a big > concern > > > > > > of mine. I also haven’t yet figured out how to negotiate a > decent > > > > > > price on the car, by doing it from 3000 miles away, rather than > > > > > > haggling with the dealer in person (not looking for a steal, > just > a > > > > > > good price). So to anyone out there who has ever bought a car > for > > > > > > someone this way, I would appreciate some advice. Thanks
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> Isn’t the new Lincoln just a Ford Tempo with V8 and Leather?
No, the LS is basically the same platform as the Jaguar S-Type, and is available with either the Duratec 3-liter 4-valve V6 or a detuned version of the Jaguar V8. It uses a 5-speed automatic that is shared only with the Jag. <snip> Shoot, I fell for the troll… 
— -Stephen H. Westin Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors.
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Isn’t the new ES300 just a new Toyota Camry with leather and …… a bent L?
> Isn’t the new Lincoln just a Ford Tempo with V8 and Leather?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You are entitled to you opinion but I have owned both. I owned TWO > Lexus V8’s, the second costing a lot more than the first. When I went to > buy the third in 1999 the price had gone way up again. I ended up > buying a 2000 Lincoln LS V8 that was every bit as good as my Lexus, and > I also bought a 1999 Mustang GT convertible. Both for the price of > another Lexus!! I now have a 2001 Mustang GT convertible and a 2002 > Lincoln LS V8 and I am more than please with the money I saved and I > have a sporty car to drive as well. But hey, its your money spend it > were you will, but why run down a vehicle you have never owed based on a > perception. > > Let me understand this. > > Ford = Lexus > > NOT > > > Before you buy a Lexus V6, take a look at the Lincoln LS V8 and save > > > yourself $10,000. > > > > Don’t count on having a lot of room to negotiate in the NYC area. > I’ve > > > > heard that many of the Lexus dealers around here know the car’s in > > demand > > > > and won’t budge from List. > > > > Larry > > > > > I have plans to purchase a new 2002 ES300 for my parents in the > next > > > > > couple of months (my parents desperately need a new car but would > > > > > never get one on their own). I live on the west coast, they live > on > > > > > the east coast and I don’t have time in the near future to pay > them a > > > > > visit. Ideally I would like to find a dealer in New York, choose > the > > > > > vehicle with its options, negotiate the price and pay for it, and > > > > > allow my parents to simply go pick it the car at the dealer and > have > > > > > the dealer familiarize them with the vehicle before they drive it > > > > > away. > > > > > The problem with doing this, is that I take the risk of purchasing > a > > > > > vehicle without actually seeing the actual car or taking it for a > test > > > > > drive. I assume that with a new Lexus, this shouldnt be a big > concern > > > > > of mine. I also haven’t yet figured out how to negotiate a decent > > > > > price on the car, by doing it from 3000 miles away, rather than > > > > > haggling with the dealer in person (not looking for a steal, just > a > > > > > good price). So to anyone out there who has ever bought a car for > > > > > someone this way, I would appreciate some advice. Thanks
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Isn’t the new Lincoln just a Ford Tempo with V8 and Leather? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > You are entitled to you opinion but I have owned both. I owned TWO > Lexus V8’s, the second costing a lot more than the first. When I went to > buy the third in 1999 the price had gone way up again. I ended up > buying a 2000 Lincoln LS V8 that was every bit as good as my Lexus, and > I also bought a 1999 Mustang GT convertible. Both for the price of > another Lexus!! I now have a 2001 Mustang GT convertible and a 2002 > Lincoln LS V8 and I am more than please with the money I saved and I > have a sporty car to drive as well. But hey, its your money spend it > were you will, but why run down a vehicle you have never owed based on a > perception. > Let me understand this. > Ford = Lexus > NOT
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Before you buy a Lexus V6, take a look at the Lincoln LS V8 and save > > yourself $10,000. > > > Don’t count on having a lot of room to negotiate in the NYC area. I’ve > > > heard that many of the Lexus dealers around here know the car’s in > demand > > > and won’t budge from List. > > > Larry > > > > I have plans to purchase a new 2002 ES300 for my parents in the next > > > > couple of months (my parents desperately need a new car but would > > > > never get one on their own). I live on the west coast, they live on > > > > the east coast and I don’t have time in the near future to pay them a > > > > visit. Ideally I would like to find a dealer in New York, choose the > > > > vehicle with its options, negotiate the price and pay for it, and > > > > allow my parents to simply go pick it the car at the dealer and have > > > > the dealer familiarize them with the vehicle before they drive it > > > > away. > > > > The problem with doing this, is that I take the risk of purchasing a > > > > vehicle without actually seeing the actual car or taking it for a test > > > > drive. I assume that with a new Lexus, this shouldnt be a big concern > > > > of mine. I also haven’t yet figured out how to negotiate a decent > > > > price on the car, by doing it from 3000 miles away, rather than > > > > haggling with the dealer in person (not looking for a steal, just a > > > > good price). So to anyone out there who has ever bought a car for > > > > someone this way, I would appreciate some advice. Thanks
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You are entitled to you opinion but I have owned both. I owned TWO Lexus V8’s, the second costing a lot more than the first. When I went to buy the third in 1999 the price had gone way up again. I ended up buying a 2000 Lincoln LS V8 that was every bit as good as my Lexus, and I also bought a 1999 Mustang GT convertible. Both for the price of another Lexus!! I now have a 2001 Mustang GT convertible and a 2002 Lincoln LS V8 and I am more than please with the money I saved and I have a sporty car to drive as well. But hey, its your money spend it were you will, but why run down a vehicle you have never owed based on a perception. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Let me understand this. > Ford = Lexus > NOT > Before you buy a Lexus V6, take a look at the Lincoln LS V8 and save > yourself $10,000. > > Don’t count on having a lot of room to negotiate in the NYC area. I’ve > > heard that many of the Lexus dealers around here know the car’s in > demand > > and won’t budge from List. > > Larry > > > I have plans to purchase a new 2002 ES300 for my parents in the next > > > couple of months (my parents desperately need a new car but would > > > never get one on their own). I live on the west coast, they live on > > > the east coast and I don’t have time in the near future to pay them a > > > visit. Ideally I would like to find a dealer in New York, choose the > > > vehicle with its options, negotiate the price and pay for it, and > > > allow my parents to simply go pick it the car at the dealer and have > > > the dealer familiarize them with the vehicle before they drive it > > > away. > > > The problem with doing this, is that I take the risk of purchasing a > > > vehicle without actually seeing the actual car or taking it for a test > > > drive. I assume that with a new Lexus, this shouldnt be a big concern > > > of mine. I also haven’t yet figured out how to negotiate a decent > > > price on the car, by doing it from 3000 miles away, rather than > > > haggling with the dealer in person (not looking for a steal, just a > > > good price). So to anyone out there who has ever bought a car for > > > someone this way, I would appreciate some advice. Thanks
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Let me understand this. Ford = Lexus NOT – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Before you buy a Lexus V6, take a look at the Lincoln LS V8 and save > yourself $10,000. > Don’t count on having a lot of room to negotiate in the NYC area. I’ve > heard that many of the Lexus dealers around here know the car’s in demand > and won’t budge from List. > Larry > > I have plans to purchase a new 2002 ES300 for my parents in the next > > couple of months (my parents desperately need a new car but would > > never get one on their own). I live on the west coast, they live on > > the east coast and I don’t have time in the near future to pay them a > > visit. Ideally I would like to find a dealer in New York, choose the > > vehicle with its options, negotiate the price and pay for it, and > > allow my parents to simply go pick it the car at the dealer and have > > the dealer familiarize them with the vehicle before they drive it > > away. > > The problem with doing this, is that I take the risk of purchasing a > > vehicle without actually seeing the actual car or taking it for a test > > drive. I assume that with a new Lexus, this shouldnt be a big concern > > of mine. I also haven’t yet figured out how to negotiate a decent > > price on the car, by doing it from 3000 miles away, rather than > > haggling with the dealer in person (not looking for a steal, just a > > good price). So to anyone out there who has ever bought a car for > > someone this way, I would appreciate some advice. Thanks
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You can purchase any domestic vehicle from a dealer anywhere in the country and have it dropped shipped from the factory to another dealer, anywhere. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I bought my LX470 while in Phoenix from a dealer back home in South > Carolina…..actually I was negotiating w/ a dealer in PHX and got to the > price I wanted to pay over the phone w/ local dealer back home…….went > back to SC and paid for the SUV and drove it home…. I’m a very happy, > satisfied Lexus owner. My local dealer is terrific!! > I’m sure glad I didn’t buy the SUV in Phx and drive it home to have to have > it serviced in SC. You could also try the Internet to find a dealer in NY, > most will call you back within a day……. > J. > PS. You sure are a nice son, your parents will be surprised and pleased w/ > the Lexus, I’m sure of that. > I have plans to purchase a new 2002 ES300 for my parents in the next > couple of months (my parents desperately need a new car but would > never get one on their own). I live on the west coast, they live on > the east coast and I don’t have time in the near future to pay them a > visit. Ideally I would like to find a dealer in New York, choose the > vehicle with its options, negotiate the price and pay for it, and > allow my parents to simply go pick it the car at the dealer and have > the dealer familiarize them with the vehicle before they drive it > away. > The problem with doing this, is that I take the risk of purchasing a > vehicle without actually seeing the actual car or taking it for a test > drive. I assume that with a new Lexus, this shouldnt be a big concern > of mine. I also haven’t yet figured out how to negotiate a decent > price on the car, by doing it from 3000 miles away, rather than > haggling with the dealer in person (not looking for a steal, just a > good price). So to anyone out there who has ever bought a car for > someone this way, I would appreciate some advice. Thanks
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Before you buy a Lexus V6, take a look at the Lincoln LS V8 and save yourself $10,000. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Don’t count on having a lot of room to negotiate in the NYC area. I’ve > heard that many of the Lexus dealers around here know the car’s in demand > and won’t budge from List. > Larry > I have plans to purchase a new 2002 ES300 for my parents in the next > couple of months (my parents desperately need a new car but would > never get one on their own). I live on the west coast, they live on > the east coast and I don’t have time in the near future to pay them a > visit. Ideally I would like to find a dealer in New York, choose the > vehicle with its options, negotiate the price and pay for it, and > allow my parents to simply go pick it the car at the dealer and have > the dealer familiarize them with the vehicle before they drive it > away. > The problem with doing this, is that I take the risk of purchasing a > vehicle without actually seeing the actual car or taking it for a test > drive. I assume that with a new Lexus, this shouldnt be a big concern > of mine. I also haven’t yet figured out how to negotiate a decent > price on the car, by doing it from 3000 miles away, rather than > haggling with the dealer in person (not looking for a steal, just a > good price). So to anyone out there who has ever bought a car for > someone this way, I would appreciate some advice. Thanks
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Don’t count on having a lot of room to negotiate in the NYC area. I’ve heard that many of the Lexus dealers around here know the car’s in demand and won’t budge from List. Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have plans to purchase a new 2002 ES300 for my parents in the next > couple of months (my parents desperately need a new car but would > never get one on their own). I live on the west coast, they live on > the east coast and I don’t have time in the near future to pay them a > visit. Ideally I would like to find a dealer in New York, choose the > vehicle with its options, negotiate the price and pay for it, and > allow my parents to simply go pick it the car at the dealer and have > the dealer familiarize them with the vehicle before they drive it > away. > The problem with doing this, is that I take the risk of purchasing a > vehicle without actually seeing the actual car or taking it for a test > drive. I assume that with a new Lexus, this shouldnt be a big concern > of mine. I also haven’t yet figured out how to negotiate a decent > price on the car, by doing it from 3000 miles away, rather than > haggling with the dealer in person (not looking for a steal, just a > good price). So to anyone out there who has ever bought a car for > someone this way, I would appreciate some advice. Thanks
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I bought my LX470 while in Phoenix from a dealer back home in South Carolina…..actually I was negotiating w/ a dealer in PHX and got to the price I wanted to pay over the phone w/ local dealer back home…….went back to SC and paid for the SUV and drove it home…. I’m a very happy, satisfied Lexus owner. My local dealer is terrific!! I’m sure glad I didn’t buy the SUV in Phx and drive it home to have to have it serviced in SC. You could also try the Internet to find a dealer in NY, most will call you back within a day……. J. PS. You sure are a nice son, your parents will be surprised and pleased w/ the Lexus, I’m sure of that.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have plans to purchase a new 2002 ES300 for my parents in the next > couple of months (my parents desperately need a new car but would > never get one on their own). I live on the west coast, they live on > the east coast and I don’t have time in the near future to pay them a > visit. Ideally I would like to find a dealer in New York, choose the > vehicle with its options, negotiate the price and pay for it, and > allow my parents to simply go pick it the car at the dealer and have > the dealer familiarize them with the vehicle before they drive it > away. > The problem with doing this, is that I take the risk of purchasing a > vehicle without actually seeing the actual car or taking it for a test > drive. I assume that with a new Lexus, this shouldnt be a big concern > of mine. I also haven’t yet figured out how to negotiate a decent > price on the car, by doing it from 3000 miles away, rather than > haggling with the dealer in person (not looking for a steal, just a > good price). So to anyone out there who has ever bought a car for > someone this way, I would appreciate some advice. Thanks
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I have plans to purchase a new 2002 ES300 for my parents in the next couple of months (my parents desperately need a new car but would never get one on their own). I live on the west coast, they live on the east coast and I don’t have time in the near future to pay them a visit. Ideally I would like to find a dealer in New York, choose the vehicle with its options, negotiate the price and pay for it, and allow my parents to simply go pick it the car at the dealer and have the dealer familiarize them with the vehicle before they drive it away. The problem with doing this, is that I take the risk of purchasing a vehicle without actually seeing the actual car or taking it for a test drive. I assume that with a new Lexus, this shouldnt be a big concern of mine. I also haven’t yet figured out how to negotiate a decent price on the car, by doing it from 3000 miles away, rather than haggling with the dealer in person (not looking for a steal, just a good price). So to anyone out there who has ever bought a car for someone this way, I would appreciate some advice. Thanks