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40 years ago: Raising the the mighty warship Vasa!
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>The Vasa is written up somewhere on the web (I don’t have the location >to hand right now) as a case study in the management of innovation. >There are remarkably strong parallels between the problems which >affected the design and implementation of the Vasa, and those which >are seen in information systems now. For instance the king of Sweden >(the client? the line manager?) had committed an excessive proportion >of the country’s wealth to one, risky, project. There was a very >expert designer (a consultant?) who was involved at the start but was >off the scene well before the project was completed. There were tests >where the results were ignored when they suggested outcomes which >didn’t suit the management. And so on.
You are just too right for comfort. — Michael Forrest
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>> Maybe someone will raise the Bismark some day and then there will be > two. (smiley). >I think her fate was just because some people out there didn’t like her >shape ? >RAF could have been more careful 
They also didn’t like it that she had just sunk HMS Hood (a battle cruiser). And I may be wrong but I think it was the Fleet Air Arm (effectively the naval air force) and not the RAF that put paid to it. (These military people are sticklers for their demarcation disputes – (smiley)) — Michael Forrest
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> >40 years ago: Raising the Vasa! >On 24 April 1961 the mighty warship > Mighty warship? It sunk the first time they tried to sail it! It > never saw any service at all, did it?
Oh Petya. 25 million visitors so far ! Do you think they are all wrong ? It’s the best purpose built tourist trap in the world. L.P
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> Maybe someone will raise the Bismark some day and then there will be > two. (smiley).
I think her fate was just because some people out there didn’t like her shape ? RAF could have been more careful L.P
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->40 years ago: Raising the Vasa! >On 24 April 1961 the mighty warship >Vasa once again saw the light of day >after 333 years on the seabed. >Please click on the Link to read more about the anniversary! >http://www.vasamuseet.se/ >Welcome To Stockholm, Sweden >And The Vasa Museum this Summer >Let me recommend a visit. We saw it last summer and found it extremely >interesting and impressive.
The Vasa is written up somewhere on the web (I don’t have the location to hand right now) as a case study in the management of innovation. There are remarkably strong parallels between the problems which affected the design and implementation of the Vasa, and those which are seen in information systems now. For instance the king of Sweden (the client? the line manager?) had committed an excessive proportion of the country’s wealth to one, risky, project. There was a very expert designer (a consultant?) who was involved at the start but was off the scene well before the project was completed. There were tests where the results were ignored when they suggested outcomes which didn’t suit the management. And so on. Martin — City University Business School, London, UK Fax (020) 7040 8628 http://www.city.ac.uk/martin
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>>>40 years ago: Raising the Vasa! >>On 24 April 1961 the mighty warship >Mighty warship? It sunk the first time they tried to sail it! It >never saw any service at all, did it? >A harbinger of Swedish neutrality.
Sweden was far from neutral during the 17th century, how improbable it might seem today, it was a European power deeply involved in European wars of the time. The 17th century is called the Great Power period in Swedish history. One ship that saw service was "Kronan" (the Crown) which exploded (just like Hood!) off Oland in battle. It was the flagship of the Swedish Navy. 800 sailors and soldiers perished. If you happen to visit the "Glass Kingdom" in Smaland – the Kronan exhibitions in Kalmar is not far away. Kronan website: http://www.kalmarlansmuseum.se/kronan/english/ MW, Sthlm, SE – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->PB
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>> >And The Vasa Museum this Summer > Let me recommend a visit. We saw it last summer and found it extremely > interesting and impressive. > Like the Bismark it failed to complete its maiden voyage. > Michael Forrest >Are you sure it was a failure ? After all Vasa is the sole survivor
Maybe someone will raise the Bismark some day and then there will be two. (smiley). — Michael Forrest
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> >40 years ago: Raising the Vasa! >On 24 April 1961 the mighty warship >Vasa once again saw the light of day >after 333 years on the seabed. >Please click on the Link to read more about the anniversary! >http://www.vasamuseet.se/ >Welcome To Stockholm, Sweden >And The Vasa Museum this Summer > Let me recommend a visit. We saw it last summer and found it extremely > interesting and impressive. > Like the Bismark it failed to complete its maiden voyage. > Michael Forrest
Are you sure it was a failure ? After all Vasa is the sole survivor L.P
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>40 years ago: Raising the Vasa! >On 24 April 1961 the mighty warship
Mighty warship? It sunk the first time they tried to sail it! It never saw any service at all, did it? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Vasa once again saw the light of day >after 333 years on the seabed. >Please click on the Link to read more about the anniversary! >http://www.vasamuseet.se/ >Welcome To Stockholm, Sweden >And The Vasa Museum this Summer >Regards Putte >– > _|//_ > (‘ . . ‘)
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>>40 years ago: Raising the Vasa! >On 24 April 1961 the mighty warship >Mighty warship? It sunk the first time they tried to sail it! It >never saw any service at all, did it?
A harbinger of Swedish neutrality. PB
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40 years ago: Raising the Vasa! On 24 April 1961 the mighty warship Vasa once again saw the light of day after 333 years on the seabed. Please click on the Link to read more about the anniversary! http://www.vasamuseet.se/ Welcome To Stockholm, Sweden And The Vasa Museum this Summer Regards Putte — _|//_ (‘ . . ‘)
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>40 years ago: Raising the Vasa! >On 24 April 1961 the mighty warship >Vasa once again saw the light of day >after 333 years on the seabed. >Please click on the Link to read more about the anniversary! >http://www.vasamuseet.se/ >Welcome To Stockholm, Sweden >And The Vasa Museum this Summer
Let me recommend a visit. We saw it last summer and found it extremely interesting and impressive. Like the Bismark it failed to complete its maiden voyage. — Michael Forrest
Response:
40 years ago: Raising the Vasa! On 24 April 1961 the mighty warship Vasa once again saw the light of day after 333 years on the seabed. Please click on the Link to read more about the anniversary! http://www.vasamuseet.se/ Welcome To Stockholm, Sweden And The Vasa Museum this Summer Regards Putte — _|//_ (‘ . . ‘)
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>40 years ago: Raising the Vasa! >On 24 April 1961 the mighty warship >Vasa once again saw the light of day >after 333 years on the seabed. >Please click on the Link to read more about the anniversary! >http://www.vasamuseet.se/ >Welcome To Stockholm, Sweden >And The Vasa Museum this Summer
Let me recommend a visit. We saw it last summer and found it extremely interesting and impressive. Like the Bismark it failed to complete its maiden voyage. — Michael Forrest
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> >40 years ago: Raising the Vasa! >On 24 April 1961 the mighty warship >Vasa once again saw the light of day >after 333 years on the seabed. >Please click on the Link to read more about the anniversary! >http://www.vasamuseet.se/ >Welcome To Stockholm, Sweden >And The Vasa Museum this Summer > Let me recommend a visit. We saw it last summer and found it extremely > interesting and impressive. > Like the Bismark it failed to complete its maiden voyage. > Michael Forrest
Are you sure it was a failure ? After all Vasa is the sole survivor L.P
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>40 years ago: Raising the Vasa! >On 24 April 1961 the mighty warship
Mighty warship? It sunk the first time they tried to sail it! It never saw any service at all, did it? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Vasa once again saw the light of day >after 333 years on the seabed. >Please click on the Link to read more about the anniversary! >http://www.vasamuseet.se/ >Welcome To Stockholm, Sweden >And The Vasa Museum this Summer >Regards Putte >– > _|//_ > (‘ . . ‘)
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>>40 years ago: Raising the Vasa! >On 24 April 1961 the mighty warship >Mighty warship? It sunk the first time they tried to sail it! It >never saw any service at all, did it?
A harbinger of Swedish neutrality. PB
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>> >And The Vasa Museum this Summer > Let me recommend a visit. We saw it last summer and found it extremely > interesting and impressive. > Like the Bismark it failed to complete its maiden voyage. > Michael Forrest >Are you sure it was a failure ? After all Vasa is the sole survivor
Maybe someone will raise the Bismark some day and then there will be two. (smiley). — Michael Forrest
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> >40 years ago: Raising the Vasa! >On 24 April 1961 the mighty warship > Mighty warship? It sunk the first time they tried to sail it! It > never saw any service at all, did it?
Oh Petya. 25 million visitors so far ! Do you think they are all wrong ? It’s the best purpose built tourist trap in the world. L.P
Response:
> Maybe someone will raise the Bismark some day and then there will be > two. (smiley).
I think her fate was just because some people out there didn’t like her shape ? RAF could have been more careful L.P
Response:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->40 years ago: Raising the Vasa! >On 24 April 1961 the mighty warship >Vasa once again saw the light of day >after 333 years on the seabed. >Please click on the Link to read more about the anniversary! >http://www.vasamuseet.se/ >Welcome To Stockholm, Sweden >And The Vasa Museum this Summer >Let me recommend a visit. We saw it last summer and found it extremely >interesting and impressive.
The Vasa is written up somewhere on the web (I don’t have the location to hand right now) as a case study in the management of innovation. There are remarkably strong parallels between the problems which affected the design and implementation of the Vasa, and those which are seen in information systems now. For instance the king of Sweden (the client? the line manager?) had committed an excessive proportion of the country’s wealth to one, risky, project. There was a very expert designer (a consultant?) who was involved at the start but was off the scene well before the project was completed. There were tests where the results were ignored when they suggested outcomes which didn’t suit the management. And so on. Martin — City University Business School, London, UK Fax (020) 7040 8628 http://www.city.ac.uk/martin
Response:
>>>40 years ago: Raising the Vasa! >>On 24 April 1961 the mighty warship >Mighty warship? It sunk the first time they tried to sail it! It >never saw any service at all, did it? >A harbinger of Swedish neutrality.
Sweden was far from neutral during the 17th century, how improbable it might seem today, it was a European power deeply involved in European wars of the time. The 17th century is called the Great Power period in Swedish history. One ship that saw service was "Kronan" (the Crown) which exploded (just like Hood!) off Oland in battle. It was the flagship of the Swedish Navy. 800 sailors and soldiers perished. If you happen to visit the "Glass Kingdom" in Smaland – the Kronan exhibitions in Kalmar is not far away. Kronan website: http://www.kalmarlansmuseum.se/kronan/english/ MW, Sthlm, SE – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->PB
Response:
>> Maybe someone will raise the Bismark some day and then there will be > two. (smiley). >I think her fate was just because some people out there didn’t like her >shape ? >RAF could have been more careful
They also didn’t like it that she had just sunk HMS Hood (a battle cruiser). And I may be wrong but I think it was the Fleet Air Arm (effectively the naval air force) and not the RAF that put paid to it. (These military people are sticklers for their demarcation disputes – (smiley)) — Michael Forrest
Response:
>The Vasa is written up somewhere on the web (I don’t have the location >to hand right now) as a case study in the management of innovation. >There are remarkably strong parallels between the problems which >affected the design and implementation of the Vasa, and those which >are seen in information systems now. For instance the king of Sweden >(the client? the line manager?) had committed an excessive proportion >of the country’s wealth to one, risky, project. There was a very >expert designer (a consultant?) who was involved at the start but was >off the scene well before the project was completed. There were tests >where the results were ignored when they suggested outcomes which >didn’t suit the management. And so on.
You are just too right for comfort. — Michael Forrest