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[reposted from soc.culture.jewish] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish >This is a Passover story I have been putting on the Internet at Passover >time for several years. Hope you all enjoy it. >THE KOSHER PORK, OR CAN PORK REALLY BE KOSHER?? >Several years ago, when I first began early Teshuvah, I read that during >Passover, it is necessary for observant Jews to buy special dog foods if >they had dogs. The book recommended consulting a rabbi for a list of >acceptable dog foods. I was referred to a local Lubavitcher rabbi, who >gave me a list of acceptable dog foods. One of the foods on the list was >Alpo Beef & Bacon. "Beef & Bacon", I asked? Rabbi, are you telling me to >bring pork into my home?!" The rabbi replied: "Is the pork for you or for >your dog?" He explained to me that although a Jew was forbidden to eat >pork, there was no restriction about possessing pork. In fact, he >explained, the Talmud specifically stated that if a Jew had pork, he should >feed it to the dogs. The rabbi went on to make a distinction between pork, >which a Jew could possess, and products containing milk and meat. Those >products, he admonished me, could not be given to our dogs, because the >Talmud states that a Jew may not derive any benefit from mixing milk and >meat. >Still, I wondered: why would the Talmud directly instruct us to feed pork >to the dogs? Certainly the writers of the Talmud would never direct a Jew >to violate the laws of Kashruth. Then the answer came to me. It was >obvious! While pork is non-kosher for a Jew, it is kosher for dogs! Note >that the Talmud does not instruct us to feed pork to Gentiles. The laws of >Kashruth have no application to a Gentile. But it does expressly say to >feed it to the dogs. Therefore, by feeding pork to the dogs, we are >actually helping our beloved pooches to keep Kosher! >Hence, when you go feed your dog, you should say to him: "Sorry, Rover. I >can’t give you cheeseburger, but here is a nice ham sandwich!!**** Eat and >enjoy! And don’t forget: say a barucha first!" >A very joyous and kosher Passover for you – and your beloved dog. >STEPHEN D. JEROME >****Use matzoh if you are giving Rover the sandwich during Passover >P.S.: I mentioned this to another Lubavitcher rabbi last year at a seder. >He noted that according to the Midrash, when G-d sent the Angel of Death to >kill the firstborn during the 10th plague, He instructed the dogs in the >regions in which the Hebrews lived to not make a sound, not even a bark (in >keeping with the prediction in the Torah that during that night, not a dog >would bark where the Hebrews lived). The dogs, in loving obedience, >complied with God’s directive. As a reward, the Midrash goes on to say, >God told the dogs that He would instruct the Jews to give all of their >non-kosher food to the dogs. >This is certainly consistent with pork becoming kosher for dogs.
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Quote: Sorry, Rover. I >can’t give you cheeseburger, but here is a nice ham sandwich!
I’m dyin’ here, laffin’. Jane Webb M&M
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Just for the record, I find the posting of Jerome’s story offensive and insulting. Should Rubin, who copied the story, actually believe what Jerome wrote, all I can do is suggest that he get a reality check, and use a bit of logic. He might also want to check religious Jewish law. Naw, that would require work and opening a book or two. Meanwhile, it is deliberately insulting. (Of course, Rubin may find racist jokes or Pat and Mike jokes or the "how many Polack" type jokes in good taste, in which all I can do is throw up my hands in disgust.) .. nfx v2.7 [C0000] Our Dobermans–may we deserve them!
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>Just for the record, I find the posting of Jerome’s story >offensive and insulting. >Of course, Rubin >may find racist jokes or Pat and Mike jokes or the "how many >Polack" type jokes in good taste, in which all I can do is >throw up my hands in disgust.)
I find any reference to Pat and Mike jokes insulting, disgusting, and offensive.
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>Just for the record, I find the posting of Jerome’s story >offensive and insulting. Should Rubin, who copied the >story, actually believe what Jerome wrote, all I can do is >suggest that he get a reality check, and use a bit of logic. >He might also want to check religious Jewish law. Naw, >that would require work and opening a book or two. >Meanwhile, it is deliberately insulting. (Of course, Rubin >may find racist jokes or Pat and Mike jokes or the "how many >Polack" type jokes in good taste, in which all I can do is >throw up my hands in disgust.)
Gee–I had better not give a synopsis of Mel Brook’s first feature film in this space or else I’ll be guilty of manslaughter. ======= No honest business is promoted by spam with the possible exception of Hormel.
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Here is a serious discussion of kosher law and pet food in which it appears that keeping shrimp (unkosher for humans) for the purpose of feeding fish is allowed. http://www.torah.org/linkedlists/torah-forum/vol2/0319.html Re: Aquarium Fish Food Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Eliezer Wenger: "Re: Ritual Purity of Menorahs" Maybe in reply to: Michael Voytinsky: "Aquarium Fish Food" In Torah forum #94 the question of what to feed the fish on Passover was posted. I feed my fish pure shrimp and shrimp flakes which are sold in all pet shops where fish are sold. As to the question of leftover Chometz [leaven] in the tank – while it probably is a good idea to cleanout the tank and gravel one doesn’t have to worry too much about the leftovers – any decomposed fish food that is mixed in the gravel is certainly "nifsal maachilat kelev," too despicable to be consumed even by a dog. This is the usual criteria for determining whether food is still chometz or not. It’s probably a good idea to have a catfish or two in the tank. They are bottom feeders and do a very efficient job of eating the leftovers from the bottom. The decomposed food can poison the water and kill the fish otherwise. Kol Tuv, Sam Kosofsky Next message: Eliezer Wenger: "Re: Ritual Purity of Menorahs" Maybe in reply to: Michael Voytinsky: "Aquarium Fish Food" ======= No honest business is promoted by spam with the possible exception of Hormel.
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O> O> >Just for the record, I find the posting of Jerome’s story O> >offensive and insulting. O> >Of course, Rubin O> >may find racist jokes or Pat and Mike jokes or the "how many O> >Polack" type jokes in good taste, in which all I can do is O> >throw up my hands in disgust.) O> O> I find any reference to Pat and Mike jokes insulting, disgusting, and O> offensive. O> Exactly my point: anyone who would appreciate the one, would like the Pat & Mike type jokes instead of being disgusted by them. Anyone who realizes that Pat and Mike jokes are insulting, disgusting and offensive would also find that piece of trash by Rubin equally so. avrama & shomer .. nfx v2.7 [C0000] Total Dobe=D(evoted)O(bedient)B(rave)E(nterprising) .. nfx v2.7 [C0000]
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Joel, Guess what–dogs are not fish, and vice versa. Your ignorance is showing: this is for rec.pets.DOGS.behavior. Nafal m’achilat kelev (fallen from the food of a dog) is not a definition of chometz, but often is vomitus. Have you been eating it lately? If you were less ignorant–about both dogs and Jewish law–you’d realize there is more than enough that is humorous without stooping to inaccuracies and deliberate vilification. Or are you Petey/Tony/Ken in yet another name, and this time using a respectable address? JR> http://www.torah.org/linkedlists/torah-forum/vol2/0319.html JR> JR> Re: Aquarium Fish Food JR> JR> Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] JR> Next message: Eliezer Wenger: "Re: Ritual Purity of Menorahs" JR> Maybe in reply to: Michael Voytinsky: "Aquarium Fish Food" JR> In Torah forum #94 the question of what to feed the fish on Passover JR> was posted. I feed my fish pure shrimp and shrimp flakes which are JR> sold in all pet shops where fish are sold. As to the question of JR> leftover Chometz JR> [leaven] in the tank – while it probably is a good idea to cleanout JR> the tank and gravel one doesn’t have to worry too much about the JR> leftovers – any decomposed fish food that is mixed in the gravel is JR> certainly "nifsal maachilat kelev," too despicable to be consumed even JR> by a dog. This is the usual criteria for determining whether food is JR> still chometz or not. It’s probably a good idea to have a catfish or JR> two in the tank. They are bottom feeders and do a very efficient job JR> of eating the leftovers from the bottom. The decomposed food can JR> poison the water and kill the fish otherwise. JR> JR> Kol Tuv, JR> JR> JR> Sam Kosofsky JR> JR> JR> JR> Next message: Eliezer Wenger: "Re: Ritual Purity of Menorahs" JR> Maybe in reply to: Michael Voytinsky: "Aquarium Fish Food" JR> ======= JR> No honest business is promoted by spam JR> with the possible exception of Hormel. JR> .. nfx v2.7 [C0000] Blessed is she who has earned the love of a dog. .. nfx v2.7 [C0000]
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I don’t get it…. what am I missing? I read the first post. Didn’t find it funny, DID find it interesting, did NOT think it was offensive (certainly nothing like those horrid "Pollock" jokes one of by uncles used to tell)… What exactly in the original post was inaccurate? There were references to the inaccuracies in the replies, but nothing specific. Also, what was it that some found offensive in the post? I’m seriously asking here…. there are SOME people that go crazy over ridiculous things, but I truly think that most people are rational. Therefore, if I missed something, then there is a perspective I don’t understand and that I need to have explained to me. Can anyone help me with this? Mouse ps – to respond via e-mail, please remove my name from my
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> O> > O> >Just for the record, I find the posting of Jerome’s story > O> >offensive and insulting.
Also for the record, I agree with you. Terri Who has heard quite enough Italian and Scotch and Irish jokes, thank you very much.
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Actually, while I thought it was a joke when I posted it, as far as I can find from an Altavista advanced lookup of "kosher" and "pet food", it appears to be true. Other than the laws of "meat and milk" and the laws of Passover, no kosher restrictions apply to foods fed by Jews to animals. That’s hardly a definitive proof, but I doubt that any of us who posted on a holiday Sabbath is much of an expert on Jewish religious law. As Doctor Jonathan Miller stated in Sunday’s London Times, persons of a given ethnic group have a certain ammount of dispensation when it comes to ethnic jokes involving their own ethnic group. ======= No honest business is promoted by spam with the possible exception of Hormel.