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I would agree with this advice. Check out the company and it’s claims. Are they supported by scientific evidence? I have tried to post some of the data at http://aquadoc.terrashare.com/cholesterol.htm To compare supplements, I would check out SupplementWatch which can be accessed through http://aquadoc.ehealthcenter.com Best of luck on your program. I have been maintaining my cholesterol levels for several years now. My diet, exercise, and supplements are almost routine now. Jim James W. Eitner, D.O., M.Ed. http://aquadoc.ehealthcenter.com
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> > > my advice is to do some more research and stick with companies that have been in > > business for a long time and have a record of quality standards. > This may be bad advise given the fellow whose written the formulas for > many of these companies says their products are ‘nutritionally useless’. > Dr. Michael Colgan Head of the Colgan Institute. They trake his formula > and cheapen the quality and lower the amounts for budgetary reasons. > your proof of this please (that this colgan guy ‘wrote the formulas’ for all of these > other companies? and who are ‘they’ specifically—-could you name the companies for us > who have taken colgan’s ‘formula’ and besmirched it?)
Please note that the above said ‘many’ of these companies, not ‘all of theses’. He charges about $10,000 just to walk through the door. I guess my ‘proof’ is that I heard him say this in a public address with about 1,500 people present. > from what i could see online, colgan has been a ‘consultant’ for several different > supplement companies (must make a pretty penny) and even has an online site where he > sells many of their products (like twinlab) to sports and fitness afficianados.
He’s actually a competitor of sorts with USANA Health Sciences Inc. Yes, he sells his and other products, too. I guess the fact that he publically touts USANA as the most comprehensive wellness system yet developed must carry a bit of weight. > so i guess he isn’t exclusively in usana’s pocket……
He’s quite ‘independent’ as you can see. > no *one* company > > is going to give you exactly what you need or want. > Well you better check out the marketplace. I believe there is a unique > comprehensive wellness system based on human cell technology. Made to US > Pharmaecopeai Standards GMP > of course you do. so i gathered. your repetitive pushing of your company’s products is > approaching spam level.
Possibly. It is unique in the marketplace. > there are plenty of regulars here who are salespeople (and some are even in MLM type > businesses) but i have never seen anyone go at it with so much disregard for actual topic > content. you use every post/response to make your pitch.
I’m not sure how the topic:’Need Vitamin Advise’ and my postings are disregarding the actual topic. I must have missed something. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> tsk tsk. > I recommend > "Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements: A Compendium of Products > A"vailable in Canada and the United States > Researched and written by Lyle MacWilliams, BSc., Msc. > Published by MacWilliam Communications Inc. > 7594 Klinger Road > Vernon, B.C. > Canada > V1H 1H4 > Phone# 250-5492514 fax# 250-5492514 > Comparisons based on three authoritative sources: Drs Richard Passwater, > Michael Colgan, and Michael Murray > i haven’t read this ‘book’, but since it has been repeatedly mentioned by you (the > resident USANA rep) i can only wonder about the books objectivity levels. (ie, is it > simply another USANA sales tool/trick?)
Yes I guess if I were using another product this wouldn’t be something I’d recommend for people to use. It just compares all mutritional products sold in north america to the passwater, colgan, murray recommendations for Optimal Nutrition. > whatdoya know….usana has a whole list of **"prospecting and belief building"** (for > those heading down that road to wealth) materials: > http://www.wealtheducators.com/Prospecting%20Material.htm
There is a financial/compensation component as well, yes. Can’t say I’m really ‘turned on by it’. > i also could not find this ‘book’ on amazon, but i did find plenty of other books by > michael colgan, michael t murray, and richard passwater. i suppose that this lyle > macwilliams is yet another usana rep who did some pickin and choosin from all of these > other books to come up with something nifty for selling usana product and ‘building > belief’??
I might have started on USANA after his research. I suspect so. > my suggestion to anyone interested in comparing supplements via reading would be to > browse amazon for the murray, passwater authors (among others) and do their own research. > (rather than relying on the gleanings of a usana rep) here was one that looked promising:
Ergo the Comprehensive Guide recommendation with Passwater’s and Murray’s Recommendation. > The Health Professional’s Guide to Popular Dietary Supplements by Allison Sarubin > plus, when there is competition > > amongst several quality companies, you have a bigger selection and a better chance > > at getting lower pricing. > or get $230 US worth of nutrients (vitamins & minerals in their most > bioavailable form and balanced) for about $45 US. (250,000 people can’t > be wrong:) > they can be wrong and often are, unfortunately, when it comes to MLM stuff. or if not > wrong, then just tunnel-visioned.
Well you are forgiven.:) I don’t recommend MLM’s for anybody. In fact technically MLM’s are exploitative and overtly competitive. I say technically because traditional network marketing has different levels of compensation for people at different’ levels of the business’. This is not so in binary compensation plans. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > some herb/supplement companies that i have had excellent results with (in no > > particular order): solaray, nature’s way, nature’s herb, herbs for kids, source > > naturals. even some of the stores’ own lines have been pretty good (mothernature, > > vitaminshoppe and whole earth are three that i have tried and been happy with) > do your own research folks. don’t rely on salespeople to provide you with balanced > information. > http://www.crnusa.org/regaffa.htm > http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/dietsupp.htm > http://dietary-supplements.info.nih.gov/ > http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/mediher7.html#c4_1_1 > — > "Christina Aguilera should take a good look at Tammy Faye [Bakker] because this is what > she’s going to look like in 20 years."-RuPaul > http://www.primenet.com/~lippard/stupid-skeptic-tricks.txt
How’s this for a sales pitch? Do your own research and contact the parent company to purchase or access the product in your own area. The era of single nutrient supplementation is drawing slowly to a close.
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> > my advice is to do some more research and stick with companies that have been in > business for a long time and have a record of quality standards. > This may be bad advise given the fellow whose written the formulas for > many of these companies says their products are ‘nutritionally useless’. > Dr. Michael Colgan Head of the Colgan Institute. They trake his formula > and cheapen the quality and lower the amounts for budgetary reasons.
your proof of this please (that this colgan guy ‘wrote the formulas’ for all of these other companies? and who are ‘they’ specifically—-could you name the companies for us who have taken colgan’s ‘formula’ and besmirched it?) from what i could see online, colgan has been a ‘consultant’ for several different supplement companies (must make a pretty penny) and even has an online site where he sells many of their products (like twinlab) to sports and fitness afficianados. so i guess he isn’t exclusively in usana’s pocket…… > no *one* company > is going to give you exactly what you need or want. > Well you better check out the marketplace. I believe there is a unique > comprehensive wellness system based on human cell technology. Made to US > Pharmaecopeai Standards GMP
of course you do. so i gathered. your repetitive pushing of your company’s products is approaching spam level. there are plenty of regulars here who are salespeople (and some are even in MLM type businesses) but i have never seen anyone go at it with so much disregard for actual topic content. you use every post/response to make your pitch. tsk tsk. > I recommend > "Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements: A Compendium of Products > A"vailable in Canada and the United States > Researched and written by Lyle MacWilliams, BSc., Msc. > Published by MacWilliam Communications Inc. > 7594 Klinger Road > Vernon, B.C. > Canada > V1H 1H4 > Phone# 250-5492514 fax# 250-5492514 > Comparisons based on three authoritative sources: Drs Richard Passwater, > Michael Colgan, and Michael Murray
i haven’t read this ‘book’, but since it has been repeatedly mentioned by you (the resident USANA rep) i can only wonder about the books objectivity levels. (ie, is it simply another USANA sales tool/trick?) whatdoya know….usana has a whole list of **"prospecting and belief building"** (for those heading down that road to wealth) materials: http://www.wealtheducators.com/Prospecting%20Material.htm i also could not find this ‘book’ on amazon, but i did find plenty of other books by michael colgan, michael t murray, and richard passwater. i suppose that this lyle macwilliams is yet another usana rep who did some pickin and choosin from all of these other books to come up with something nifty for selling usana product and ‘building belief’?? my suggestion to anyone interested in comparing supplements via reading would be to browse amazon for the murray, passwater authors (among others) and do their own research. (rather than relying on the gleanings of a usana rep) here was one that looked promising: The Health Professional’s Guide to Popular Dietary Supplements by Allison Sarubin > plus, when there is competition > amongst several quality companies, you have a bigger selection and a better chance > at getting lower pricing. > or get $230 US worth of nutrients (vitamins & minerals in their most > bioavailable form and balanced) for about $45 US. (250,000 people can’t > be wrong:)
they can be wrong and often are, unfortunately, when it comes to MLM stuff. or if not wrong, then just tunnel-visioned. > some herb/supplement companies that i have had excellent results with (in no > particular order): solaray, nature’s way, nature’s herb, herbs for kids, source > naturals. even some of the stores’ own lines have been pretty good (mothernature, > vitaminshoppe and whole earth are three that i have tried and been happy with)
do your own research folks. don’t rely on salespeople to provide you with balanced information. http://www.crnusa.org/regaffa.htm http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/dietsupp.htm http://dietary-supplements.info.nih.gov/ http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/mediher7.html#c4_1_1 — "Christina Aguilera should take a good look at Tammy Faye [Bakker] because this is what she’s going to look like in 20 years."-RuPaul http://www.primenet.com/~lippard/stupid-skeptic-tricks.txt
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have been taking vitamins and exercising to try to stay healthy. I am also > trying to control cholesterol. Supplements are confusing to me and I would like > to get on a program that is the best without a lot of hype. It seems most > companies claim to be the way to go. Could someone advise me on what works > without wasting a lot of money, or over doing it. Could someone recommend a > good source for quality supplements. > I have been taking > Rexall BIOS life 2 for fiber > a multivitamin > flax oil > CoQ10 > vitamin C & E > milk thistle & a soy protein drink > the salespeople here are (obviously) going to point you in the direction of their > own ‘perfect’ products.
This is true. > my advice is to do some more research and stick with companies that have been in > business for a long time and have a record of quality standards.
This may be bad advise given the fellow whose written the formulas for many of these companies says their products are ‘nutritionally useless’. Dr. Michael Colgan Head of the Colgan Institute. They trake his formula and cheapen the quality and lower the amounts for budgetary reasons. no *one* company > is going to give you exactly what you need or want.
Well you better check out the marketplace. I believe there is a unique comprehensive wellness system based on human cell technology. Made to US Pharmaecopeai Standards GMP I recommend "Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements: A Compendium of Products A"vailable in Canada and the United States Researched and written by Lyle MacWilliams, BSc., Msc. Published by MacWilliam Communications Inc. 7594 Klinger Road Vernon, B.C. Canada V1H 1H4 Phone# 250-5492514 fax# 250-5492514 Comparisons based on three authoritative sources: Drs Richard Passwater, Michael Colgan, and Michael Murray "Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements: A Compendium of Products A"vailable in Canada and the United States Researched and written by Lyle MacWilliams, BSc., Msc. Published by MacWilliam Communications Inc. 7594 Klinger Road Vernon, B.C. Canada V1H 1H4 Phone# 250-5492514 fax# 250-5492514 Comparisons based on three authoritative sources: Drs Richard Passwater, Michael Colgan, and Michael Murray plus, when there is competition > amongst several quality companies, you have a bigger selection and a better chance > at getting lower pricing.
or get $230 US worth of nutrients (vitamins & minerals in their most bioavailable form and balanced) for about $45 US. (250,000 people can’t be wrong:) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> some herb/supplement companies that i have had excellent results with (in no > particular order): solaray, nature’s way, nature’s herb, herbs for kids, source > naturals. even some of the stores’ own lines have been pretty good (mothernature, > vitaminshoppe and whole earth are three that i have tried and been happy with) > there are lots of online places to purchase products like this and i have found > that they invariably have lower pricing than the local brick and mortar stores. the > thing to do is to bookmark several of them and check back frequently to compare > prices on the specific products that you like to purchase. often, stores will have > special offers for ‘new customers’–you can actually probably use some of these > first time offers more than once with a little thought (erase your cookies, use > different email addresses etc). i usually try to find free shipping offers so you > dont have to factor in shipping costs. > vitamins.com, planetrx.com, allherb.com, mothernature.com, vitaminshoppe.com, > i regularly purchase milk thistle seed extract, cranberry extract, multi vitamins, > echinacea root, green tea and sporadically purchase other herbs and/or supplements > like stinging nettle, kava or valerian, elderberry. > also, with a little time and effort and research, it is actually QUITE easy to grow > many of your own herbs and.or purchase whole herb fresh or dried and create your > own concoctions. (although it looks like you are more into supplements than simple > herbs) > — > "Christina Aguilera should take a good look at Tammy Faye [Bakker] because this is > what she’s going to look like in 20 years."-RuPaul > http://www.primenet.com/~lippard/stupid-skeptic-tricks.txt
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> I have been taking vitamins and exercising to try to stay healthy. I am also > trying to control cholesterol. Supplements are confusing to me and I would like > to get on a program that is the best without a lot of hype. It seems most > companies claim to be the way to go. Could someone advise me on what works > without wasting a lot of money, or over doing it. Could someone recommend a > good source for quality supplements. > I have been taking > Rexall BIOS life 2 for fiber > a multivitamin > flax oil > CoQ10 > vitamin C & E > milk thistle & a soy protein drink
the salespeople here are (obviously) going to point you in the direction of their own ‘perfect’ products. my advice is to do some more research and stick with companies that have been in business for a long time and have a record of quality standards. no *one* company is going to give you exactly what you need or want. plus, when there is competition amongst several quality companies, you have a bigger selection and a better chance at getting lower pricing. some herb/supplement companies that i have had excellent results with (in no particular order): solaray, nature’s way, nature’s herb, herbs for kids, source naturals. even some of the stores’ own lines have been pretty good (mothernature, vitaminshoppe and whole earth are three that i have tried and been happy with) there are lots of online places to purchase products like this and i have found that they invariably have lower pricing than the local brick and mortar stores. the thing to do is to bookmark several of them and check back frequently to compare prices on the specific products that you like to purchase. often, stores will have special offers for ‘new customers’–you can actually probably use some of these first time offers more than once with a little thought (erase your cookies, use different email addresses etc). i usually try to find free shipping offers so you dont have to factor in shipping costs. vitamins.com, planetrx.com, allherb.com, mothernature.com, vitaminshoppe.com, i regularly purchase milk thistle seed extract, cranberry extract, multi vitamins, echinacea root, green tea and sporadically purchase other herbs and/or supplements like stinging nettle, kava or valerian, elderberry. also, with a little time and effort and research, it is actually QUITE easy to grow many of your own herbs and.or purchase whole herb fresh or dried and create your own concoctions. (although it looks like you are more into supplements than simple herbs) — "Christina Aguilera should take a good look at Tammy Faye [Bakker] because this is what she’s going to look like in 20 years."-RuPaul http://www.primenet.com/~lippard/stupid-skeptic-tricks.txt
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Hi, A Quote for you:) " After analyzing USANA’s system for formulating and testing its products, I believe it to be the most far reaching development in human nutrition. In my more than 20 years in nutrition research, I’ve not seen a wellness program as impressive as that developed by Myron Wentz." Dr. Michael Colgan, head of the Colgan Institute in San Diego, is a world renowned Sports Nutritionist and author of many best selling books, including Optimal Sports Nutrition and The New Nutrition You can check out those particular products at http://www.usanahealthsciences.com or at my website: http://members.home.net/reschulz Randy > I have been taking vitamins and exercising to try to stay healthy. I am also > trying to control cholesterol. Supplements are confusing to me and I would like > to get on a program that is the best without a lot of hype. It seems most > companies claim to be the way to go. Could someone advise me on what works > without wasting a lot of money, or over doing it. Could someone recommend a > good source for quality supplements. > I have been taking > Rexall BIOS life 2 for fiber > a multivitamin > flax oil > CoQ10 > vitamin C & E > milk thistle & a soy protein drink
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I have been taking vitamins and exercising to try to stay healthy. I am also trying to control cholesterol. Supplements are confusing to me and I would like to get on a program that is the best without a lot of hype. It seems most companies claim to be the way to go. Could someone advise me on what works without wasting a lot of money, or over doing it. Could someone recommend a good source for quality supplements. I have been taking Rexall BIOS life 2 for fiber a multivitamin flax oil CoQ10 vitamin C & E milk thistle & a soy protein drink
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>I have been taking vitamins and exercising to try to stay healthy. I am also >trying to control cholesterol. Supplements are confusing to me and I would like >to get on a program that is the best without a lot of hype.
Whooo, "best" humm, I’d say either you start reading a lot of book to educate you to the point that supplements are no longer confusing to you or you go to a nutritionist that helps you find out what would be best for you. > seems most >companies claim to be the way to go. Could someone advise me on what works >without wasting a lot of money, or over doing it.
I have read a dozen books and supplements are no longer confusing to me, but I still do not know if I am aiming to low. I am on my way to find out, though 
I guess, what I am saying is: if you’re going to solve the riddle on your own, have time on your hands. Its highly interesting, though. >Could someone recommend a >good source for quality supplements.
I am ordering at www.mothernature.com mostly. Other sources can be found at www.bizrate.com > I have been taking >Rexall BIOS life 2 for fiber
I’d think you should get that from diet. Eliminate white wheat based food (bread, pasta) and go for whole wheat bread etc. instead. >a multivitamin
Which? I can recommend Elan Vital from Source Naturals, but it’s on the pricier side — delivers, though >flax oil
Hmm, I am supplemeting Omega-3 EFAs directly. >CoQ10
Is in Elan Vital. Adding to that did not yield extra results so far. But if you’re over forty, it is probably a good idea. >vitamin C & E
Is in my multi, I am taking extra C though, especially if a cold is coming >milk thistle & a soy protein drink
Good idea. Regards, Andy